[Ammi]

...ok, next movie watch is Defiance and it’s on Netflix...(..I hope that I got that right...)...



...I don’t know if Alf can be enticed to watch but you are welcome, Alf...

[Niamh.]

Great, I'll watch it over the weekend.

I watched Memento in chronological order as well

Spoiler:

It really does show how genius the original is though and just how much it puts you in Lenny's head rather than watching a straight forward movie about a guy with that condition.

I found I liked Natalie a bit more in this version, you could kind of understand a bit more why she was being an asshole to Lenny, clearly she knew he'd either killed or been an accessory to killing her boyfriend (even if he was a drug dealer) and she still did seem to feel sorry for Lenny even though she used him (but maybe she felt he owed her that revenge?

Also, the scene in the cafe with Natalie and she asks him to close his eyes and remember his wife, in some of those memories she looked stressed and upset and i wonder does that imply it was after the rape and therefore Teddy was telling the truth when he said Lenny had accidentally OD'd her? It's easier to notice that watching it chronologically because watching it backwards you don't know yet that she may have actually survived the attack.

I feel the conversation about her re reading that book had some significance as well or symbolism at least about repeating things.

So yeah watching it forwards made me end up with my original conclusion that Sammy did exist but that Lenny had somehow managed to train himself to believe that his own wife was Sammy's.

What I would like to know though is how they figured out that the killer was John G? Where did those names/initials come from?

Also, another observation, how quickly he believed Teddy about Jimmy being the one, he seemed to have just taken his word where as he was much more thorough when deciding Teddy was the one

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...ok, next movie watch is Defiance and it’s on Netflix...(..I hope that I got that right...)...



...I don’t know if Alf can be enticed to watch but you are welcome, Alf...

Thank you very much, however, I'm not on Netflix, I cancelled it earlier this year, and I don't have that film on Dvd.

I do have hundreds of films on dvd, and one time, you're bound to choose something I've got, so I'll join in on those occasions.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Alf

Thank you very much, however, I'm not on Netflix, I cancelled it earlier this year, and I don't have that film on Dvd.

I do have hundreds of films on dvd, and one time, you're bound to choose something I've got, so I'll join in on those occasions.

...yeah, that’s the thing...choosing one so that everyone can access it ..(...free...)...as we don’t all have the same Networks or methods...with Memento, though...it was available free online on a site so that’s also another possible option...if you want to say some of your dvd titles, Alf... then I’ll check online to see which ones we can all get access to as well...

[Vanessa]

Found it in YouTube.
Ah Daniel Craig, one of my favourite actors !

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Alf

Thank you very much, however, I'm not on Netflix, I cancelled it earlier this year, and I don't have that film on Dvd.

I do have hundreds of films on dvd, and one time, you're bound to choose something I've got, so I'll join in on those occasions.

It's on YouTube.

[Ammi]

...I think this quality seems ok...?.../...for Alf and Vanessa...

Youtube video

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Found it in YouTube.
Ah Daniel Craig, one of my favourite actors !

....oh ha, snap......

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Ammi

....oh ha, snap......

I usually watch movies in YouTube.
So I can watch it on my telly

[Niamh.]

Oh brilliant

[Ammi]

...Defiance...

Spoiler:

...unlike Memento when I had forgotten a lot of it, I pretty much remembered most of this movie...maybe as well because I researched the story of the brothers after I’d watched it first time so that I could learn more...I had, though....forgotten the scene with the German soldier/...when they all brutally beat him to death ...I’d read that the movie caused some controversy in how Hollywood’ the story had been moulded to have lots of inaccuracies...the local village/towns people didn’t see the Bielski brothers in any ‘hero’ light and found them to be quite murderous, accusing them of slaughtering innocent families...anyway, there is no doubt that many, many people only survived because of them...and I guess that ‘hero’ isn’t black and white, anyway...a defined ‘hero’ may always be a villain to some in their actions...

[Niamh.]

I haven't watched it yet but I will make a start on it on my lunch break today

[Ammi]

...I was always the last person to watch stuff because I’m so easily distracted ...but since restrictions and lockdown etc, TV is my life...

[Niamh.]

Mine too we started a new series actually over the weekend Ammi which is pretty good if you haven't watched it already, it's called Messiah

[Ammi]

...we’re like an old set of towels, we have ‘His’, ‘Hers’ and ‘Ours’ movies and shows...


...oh, I’ll check that out, thank you...I like the sound of the synopsis...I watched the first episode of Finding Alice last night, which was intriguing ...but I’m not sure if yo7 can find a channel to stream it on...

[Niamh.]

I'll check that out if I can find it

[Vanessa]

I'll watch it after work.
I love Daniel Craig.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I was always the last person to watch stuff because I’m so easily distracted ...but since restrictions and lockdown etc, TV is my life...

Same. Thank god for the telly

[Bollo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Great, I'll watch it over the weekend.

I watched Memento in chronological order as well

Spoiler:

It really does show how genius the original is though and just how much it puts you in Lenny's head rather than watching a straight forward movie about a guy with that condition.

I found I liked Natalie a bit more in this version, you could kind of understand a bit more why she was being an asshole to Lenny, clearly she knew he'd either killed or been an accessory to killing her boyfriend (even if he was a drug dealer) and she still did seem to feel sorry for Lenny even though she used him (but maybe she felt he owed her that revenge?

Also, the scene in the cafe with Natalie and she asks him to close his eyes and remember his wife, in some of those memories she looked stressed and upset and i wonder does that imply it was after the rape and therefore Teddy was telling the truth when he said Lenny had accidentally OD'd her? It's easier to notice that watching it chronologically because watching it backwards you don't know yet that she may have actually survived the attack.

I feel the conversation about her re reading that book had some significance as well or symbolism at least about repeating things.

So yeah watching it forwards made me end up with my original conclusion that Sammy did exist but that Lenny had somehow managed to train himself to believe that his own wife was Sammy's.

What I would like to know though is how they figured out that the killer was John G? Where did those names/initials come from?

Also, another observation, how quickly he believed Teddy about Jimmy being the one, he seemed to have just taken his word where as he was much more thorough when deciding Teddy was the one

Yes I watched the chronological version as well it was really interesting, almost like watching a different film...

Spoiler:

I found that it made you see all the other characters in a different light and how they all responded to Lennys condition more clearly
I think that Lenny was quick to believe Teddy because he wants vengeance quickly and it was easy to believe and then when that was finished he had to fabricate another whole story by himself to seek vengeance again

So..Defiance is the next film to watch i have never seen or heard of it before so I am looking forward to watching it..

I have also been watching Finding Alice on ITV player but I fear it's going to be one of those series where they make sure there are loose ends so you have to watch the next series... I prefer limited series like Russian Doll which is just brilliant ...

[Ammi]

Spoiler:

...yeah, although we knew that it was told backwards in the original, so could piece together the plot...actually watching it in real time changed so much in terms of the characters and Natalie especially had seemed awful, but she wasn’t ...I don’t know why ‘John G’ became significant, I presumed that the killer actually was ‘John G’ and he had already killed him but obviously didn’t recall...so all of the other John G’s were invented to create the vigilante in him because as Teddy said, it was an easy name to choose...’do you have any idea how many John G’s there are..’.....it was also said that there were two people because he was hit from behind...and yet in his ‘search’ it was only ever mentioned John G...whichever way we watched it, it seems to leave so much element of unanswered..I thought that the significance of the book was just how it attached to him in repeating and repeating ‘a story’ and that he didn’t actually want it to have an ending either, because it enabled him to ‘have a purpose’ in his grief, he wouldn’t ever stop living in his story..it’s all so well done and so fascinating...did he pinch his wife’s thigh or did he give an insulin injection...we still don’t really know....

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Bollo

Yes I watched the chronological version as well it was really interesting, almost like watching a different film...

Spoiler:

I found that it made you see all the other characters in a different light and how they all responded to Lennys condition more clearly
I think that Lenny was quick to believe Teddy because he wants vengeance quickly and it was easy to believe and then when that was finished he had to fabricate another whole story by himself to seek vengeance again

So..Defiance is the next film to watch i have never seen or heard of it before so I am looking forward to watching it..

I have also been watching Finding Alice on ITV player but I fear it's going to be one of those series where they make sure there are loose ends so you have to watch the next series... I prefer limited series like Russian Doll which is just brilliant ...

...I’ve watched around 4/5 episodes of Finding Alice so far and I’m loving it but it didn’t occur to me that loose ends wouldn’t be tied up, goddamn them......I’m too invested to stop watching now and Keeley is totally fabulous as Alice...but I hope it doesn’t leave us nowhere in the end...I’ll check out Russian Doll, it’s not one I’m familiar with...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

Spoiler:

...yeah, although we knew that it was told backwards in the original, so could piece together the plot...actually watching it in real time changed so much in terms of the characters and Natalie especially had seemed awful, but she wasn’t ...I don’t know why ‘John G’ became significant, I presumed that the killer actually was ‘John G’ and he had already killed him but obviously didn’t recall...so all of the other John G’s were invented to create the vigilante in him because as Teddy said, it was an easy name to choose...’do you have any idea how many John G’s there are..’.....it was also said that there were two people because he was hit from behind...and yet in his ‘search’ it was only ever mentioned John G...whichever way we watched it, it seems to leave so much element of unanswered..I thought that the significance of the book was just how it attached to him in repeating and repeating ‘a story’ and that he didn’t actually want it to have an ending either, because it enabled him to ‘have a purpose’ in his grief, he wouldn’t ever stop living in his story..it’s all so well done and so fascinating...did he pinch his wife’s thigh or did he give an insulin injection...we still don’t really know....

Spoiler:

Lenny shot and killed the 2nd guy the night his wife was attacked, that's why they were only looking for one guy

I watched the start of Defiance yesterday on my lunch break but decided to turn it off because it was pretty good so I'm going to watch it with Gav tonight instead because I think he will like it too

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Spoiler:

Lenny shot and killed the 2nd guy the night his wife was attacked, that's why they were only looking for one guy

I watched the start of Defiance yesterday on my lunch break but decided to turn it off because it was pretty good so I'm going to watch it with Gav tonight instead because I think he will like it too

Spoiler:

...I should never try to make my thoughts work and post when I’ve just woken up......don’t think that I didn’t know that, either....ooops...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Spoiler:

Lenny shot and killed the 2nd guy the night his wife was attacked, that's why they were only looking for one guy

I watched the start of Defiance yesterday on my lunch break but decided to turn it off because it was pretty good so I'm going to watch it with Gav tonight instead because I think he will like it too

...yeah, we had both seen it before but only the one watch quite a few years ago...so he enjoyed the rewatch as well...not your Gav, my Gav...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...yeah, we had both seen it before but only the one watch quite a few years ago...so he enjoyed the rewatch as well...not your Gav, my Gav...

Everyone needs a Gav