[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I just don't really know what your point is Ammi. That having an insight into both sides of the argument should mean that I temper my opinions now, or pretend not to see the flaws in thinking that I think is flawed? I understand why people might not see the conflict between trans rights and womens rights because I once thought similar... because I hadn't seen enough of the effect it's having, the rhetoric around it, the verbal personal attacks on women with concerns... I was naive to it. Maybe you're taking that as being a personal insult? It's OK to say you think someone is being naive in a debate Ammi... surely especially if you can see that you were similarly naive in the past.

We agree that discussions and absorbing the opinions of others is important, which is why I find it odd that you're suggesting I should temper my current opinions, or offer a "both sides argument" to incorporate a point of view that I now entirely disagree with . I'm also not lacking tolerance, nor refusing to take on board new opinions on this thread... I just haven't actually seen any opinion here that's new to me. If someone were to present an alternative way of looking at things, I am as always entirely open to giving that some thought.

...’tempering your thoughts’...?...no, that’s not what I said, understanding differing thought processes because you’ve been in those different thought processes yourself is not ‘tempering’...but you’ve dismissed a thought process as if those thoughts were naive which is very patronising ...and without offering any input of..well, I once thought that but...

... Remy in giving his own valued experience in working in LGBT shelters is indeed offering something new to the topic and another aspect to be welcomed because it also balances and equates with the vulnerability of females/...not dismissing or lessening...the safety and safeguarding of born females and of transgender females (both)..two very vulnerable sections of society that need to be considered in these conversations of safe spaces...(..not TiBB conversations, but those that will make decisions about safeguarding with this...)...


....so far as the U.K. is concerned and something ‘new’ which I added yesterday...(...or at least I hadn’t been aware of it so I posted it..)...Self ID has been rejected by the government and is not something that will be applied in this country...obviously I don’t know with other and all countries and competitive sport will hopefully be something that’s addressed also in the up and coming...