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15-11-2021, 12:10 PM | #26 | |||
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everyone knows that the bbc news content has been dreadful for years. It's a public service not a voice piece to support a specific agenda
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15-11-2021, 12:55 PM | #27 | ||
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No one is opposing trans rights, people are opposing the idea that academic discussion and a committment to evidence-based best practice is akin to oppossing rights. I know there are people who would like to claim that any discussion = opposition. Those people are either disingenuous or simply lack a basic understanding of academic discourse, or an understanding that policy needs to be informed by said academic discourse (and not "I feel..." statements) to be worth the paper it's written on. None of that is anyone's problem other than their own. The sentiment that "if you have concerns about one you have concerns about all" is simply a flat-out false narrative; it simply has to be, because there are plenty of gay people (especially gay women) who have MASSIVE concerns that they would like to have addressed, and I have seen many of these women attacked and harrassed horrendously. This "one is all" line is little more than the same dogma everyone has heard many times over. Women have concerns. Lesbian women have concerns. Those concerns can't continue to be swept away (mostly by gay men, in a sad irony of complex privilege) under a banner heading of "any concern = transphobia". It's a ****ing lie. Quote:
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15-11-2021, 01:13 PM | #28 | |||
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To outright say ‘nobody is opposing trans rights’ is either knowingly a complete lie, or at least incredible naivety
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15-11-2021, 01:32 PM | #29 | ||
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I was obviously not saying "no one anywhere ever opposes trans rights", but I apologise if that wasn't clear. I'm also not saying that no one on this forum or who has posted on this thread opposes trans rights. Just that nothing that has been posted on this thread is in opposition to the concept of trans rights. Last edited by Toy Soldier; 15-11-2021 at 01:34 PM. |
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15-11-2021, 04:09 PM | #30 | ||
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15-11-2021, 04:12 PM | #31 | ||
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15-11-2021, 04:38 PM | #32 | |||
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So they need to invent issues to keep on banging the drum about. And they are basically genius conartists for coming up with their diversity index - not only do companies have to pay to be included on it, they can include their standing by giving Stonewall more money in exchange for poxy courses! They're no better than any other fatcat corporations. People who care for the rights of lesbians should be calling to protect lesbian spaces (and woman only spaces in general) which are compromised by the inclusion of transwomen. |
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15-11-2021, 04:50 PM | #33 | ||
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15-11-2021, 05:00 PM | #34 | |||
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Stonewall don't seem to be doing anything to address or help this. They're effectively useless at anything but pushing gender ideology.
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15-11-2021, 05:01 PM | #35 | ||
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But no it makes people feel anxious or triggered or whatever so let’s throw around insults like children and take it off the table. Madness. |
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15-11-2021, 05:04 PM | #36 | ||
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15-11-2021, 05:24 PM | #37 | |||
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What's "the LGB"? I have no idea what every lesbian, gay, and bisexual is doing.
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15-11-2021, 05:42 PM | #38 | |||
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Why can’t straight men have an opinion...they will have women in their lives who this affects ...who knows they might even have LGBTQ relatives...gasp
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15-11-2021, 05:45 PM | #39 | |||
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When have the right ever cared about women lmao? They’ve spent the last few decades trying to outlaw abortion. Be careful who you lay your bed with
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15-11-2021, 05:50 PM | #40 | |||
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What does "the right" have to do with anything?
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15-11-2021, 06:35 PM | #41 | |||
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This isn’t a political issue ...
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15-11-2021, 06:54 PM | #42 | |||
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Exactly. I would say I'm left leaning but every issue is different, we've lost all sense of critical thinking if we have to agree with the party line on every issue without using our own brains and life experience to form an opinion. Following the accepted views from one "side" without question is the definition of being a sheep
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15-11-2021, 06:59 PM | #43 | |||
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15-11-2021, 07:12 PM | #44 | |||
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Yeah, at the end of the day my only interest in this topic is women's rights, I don't care about left or right, I care about safety and fairness for women.
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15-11-2021, 08:28 PM | #46 | |||
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Expecting transwomen to have access to female spaces is asking women to give up woman-only spaces.
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15-11-2021, 08:32 PM | #47 | ||
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15-11-2021, 08:36 PM | #48 | ||
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That is not currently on offer. Debate is labelled hateful and transphobic by its very existence. I'm not even conservative (in the literal sense) on this topic I think there are probably solutions and compromises that make things safer and fairer across the board - it's not as though things couldn't be improved regardless so why would anyone strictly want things to stay just as they are - but that place simply can't be reached without allowing research and debate. If there's no impact on women's rights then allow robust, peer-reviewed literature to show that there's no impact on women's rights and then you can state that there isn't with some actual gravitas. Until then there's just no realistic justification that it's reasonable to expect anyone to blindly accept. |
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15-11-2021, 08:37 PM | #49 | |||
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