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29-03-2023, 01:28 PM | #51 | |||
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Looks like alot of us Slim and Liam are now partyless, wonder what the turn out will be at the next GE
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29-03-2023, 01:46 PM | #52 | |||
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I guess you'll either vote for the least-bad option, or watch the Tories have another win without doing anything about it?
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29-03-2023, 02:05 PM | #53 | |||
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Oh no that’s where we differ, I’ll still be voting for Labour, albeit begrudgingly, in the current state of the country punishing the people that have spent the past 13 years systematically destroying this country is the the priority, ideologically? Yes, politically homeless
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29-03-2023, 02:18 PM | #54 | |||
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29-03-2023, 02:21 PM | #55 | |||
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i will vote to get the tories out of office. Another term from them would be an absolute disaster. Labour will just be finding their feet, so there is much less chance of damage from them
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29-03-2023, 03:09 PM | #56 | |||
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Nothing positive is coming from either of these two parties, Keir is already pushing growth as his pledge, but that's the exact same trickle down model as the other lot, and will only lead to more destruction of communities and cuts, but he will pretend it's sensible and grown up. The country needs investment not more pandering to capital and corporations. I hope jeremy grows a massive pair and starts his own party, because the parties unrestrained are going to destroy the country even more. A corbyn socialist party wiould take a lot of voters away from labour, and unless Keir has something progressive to offer them in his manifesto, his certain election victory would suddenly be in very real jeopardy.
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29-03-2023, 03:26 PM | #57 | |||
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That is complete pie in the sky, unless Starmer is hitting us with the ol' double bluff. There is nothing progressive about the man, and all the things you say you want, are the things that people have been purged out of the party for wanting, so I wouldn't debate any one within reach of Starmers ear if I were you, otherwise you might get one of those "you're being investigated" emails, they've been sending out with increasing regularity.
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30-03-2023, 07:52 AM | #58 | ||
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Really Slim. That's an overexaggeration. I don't see that scenario you're saying at all. Under Corbyn's leadership there were issues too with candidacy and members. Which equally was overexaggerrated too. Labour has a leader you don't like now that's clear. I don't like him either. I haven't liked the last 3 Labour leaders but I haven't give up on the party. I still believe and there's NO reason to think otherwise, that Labour will more protect the most vulnerable, sick and disabled and THAT is an issue which is extremely important to me. For many years now I've supported and canvassed for better treatment of the sick and disabled after the humiliating and degrading criteria brought in of the testing of them by this government. Also supported by the Lib Dems in the coalition too. Disgraceful. The NHS too has always been important to me. It's why I voted against the Cons with my first election vote in 2010. The NHS has been decimated by this Con government.and so again, I believe Labour will need to reform it now in light of that but I firmly believe Labour will save it and protect it. As they did up to 2010. So I don't see this awful Labour you do. So I won't be leaving it yet. Just because it's got a leader I don't like. It's not pie in the sky what I listed in my post. The party has voted overwhelmingly for PR as Labour policy. I'm not happy Starmer has ruled that out but he's stated it's not a policy for to put forward in the next election. So I can hold onto the feeling he's looking at a 2nd term. Which could contain very different policies. So PR is not pie in the sky. It does look like Labour will be the main Party to adopt it as policy hopefully in the manifesto of the election after the next one. I can accept that. Neither is the better treatment of the vulnerable and sick and disabled just pie in the sky. Nor is the need to get these current Cons away from the NHS. So I will support again Labour because as even bots said. Another term of the Cons would be disastrous. He is dead right and I'm never going to do anything to even just risk another term of this heartless Con government. No way. Certainly never going to risk that because Labour has a useless leader. They've all been useless since Blair. From Brown to Corbyn Labour had 4, yes 4 election defeats. It was bad enough in 2015 under Miliband. However in 2019 it was a massive rout as to seats. Even worse than 1983 when the opposition votes were split between Labour and the SDP/LIB Alliance. Starmer is an awful leader, then again I don't think Labour has had a good one since John Smith. Plus in my view all the Parties now have a bad leader. So the choice is dire anyhow as to leadership. Wishing you well Slim. I had a fairly good day yesterday thank you. |
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30-03-2023, 12:29 PM | #59 | |||
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I'm not leaving labour behind, they've said they don't want the likes of me any more, and regardless of how each of us thinks, opposing views have never been unwelcome in the party before now.
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30-03-2023, 12:31 PM | #60 | |||
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Jeremy Corbyn
needs to stand as a Independent, Or Take Starmer and the NEC to court. Which one Slim? |
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30-03-2023, 12:37 PM | #61 | |||
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Whatever happened to being inclusive. It's more exclusive now than i can ever recall from the last 50 years |
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30-03-2023, 12:37 PM | #62 | |||
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If Jeremy stands as an independent he wins really easily
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30-03-2023, 12:48 PM | #63 | |||
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At least in the US, they really are about the personalities of the leaders, but we have a different system here, so this has killed the inclusitivity and plurality in the parties. There is no head over there to choose which candidates stand for which seats, but here they can be used and bargained for, in order to secure blind loyalty (see nads over Boris), and nor do we have the lords, where more blind loyalty can see them rewarded for life, not just 4-8 years.
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30-03-2023, 01:21 PM | #64 | |||
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30-03-2023, 01:24 PM | #65 | |||
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he can stand as independent labour if he wants, plenty have done it in the past
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30-03-2023, 01:33 PM | #66 | |||
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The whole goddamn country needed him.
Then he will either stand as an independent, join the greens, or start his own party. My preference would be for him to start his own,party, which would then force the labour party back to the left in order to take some of the voters back. 200k people joined the labour party because of Jeremy, and have since left, so there is a bloc of voters that could turn the election (including those that have stayed) if Jeremy did that. Joining the greens would be really interesting, as he could transform them into a relevant party over night.
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30-03-2023, 01:38 PM | #67 | |||
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He had a chance Slim
December 2019 General Election he failed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_U...neral_election Last edited by arista; 30-03-2023 at 01:40 PM. |
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30-03-2023, 02:00 PM | #68 | |||
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30-03-2023, 02:03 PM | #69 | |||
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30-03-2023, 02:07 PM | #70 | |||
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Depends if his constituents votes for the man or the party? |
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30-03-2023, 03:45 PM | #71 | ||
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I personally think Corbyn should stand as Independent Labour.
My own guess is he'd win. So then continue as an MP with an even greater freedom to speak out on all and anything he likes and how. If we had PR. Then starting a new Party would have been a good option too however new Parties under this discredited electoral system don't fare well. The Greens get 5% + in elections and only have the solitary 1 seat. First past the post is not welcoming or generous to new Parties. |
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30-03-2023, 03:51 PM | #72 | |||
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There's no real way to implement PR while maintaining a Parliamentary system, in which we vote for who we want to represent our area in the Commons. If the percentage of the overall population was allocated per-seat, there'd be no way to ensure we'd get an MP for the party for whom we voted.
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30-03-2023, 04:42 PM | #73 | |||
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His constituents love him, because he does the job he is paid to do - he works in local homelessness centres, he's in the community fixing problems and being visible and available. He got 73% of the vote last time out, and any person Keir stands against him will probably be some corporate CEO type.Especially if we look at what he's been doing in Leicester recently.
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30-03-2023, 05:06 PM | #74 | ||
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There's only ONE Party in Westminster who wouldn't have it and that's the Cons. PR is now used in Mayoral elections, police and crime commissioner elections, the N Ireland assembly, the Welsh parliament AND the Scottish parliament. There are many forms of PR and it wouldn't be impossible to retain the more constituency link to MP. The difference would be people voting and for the over 25% who never vote in elections, of whom would be likely more to vote in PR, would then the difference would mean they not only believed but would know, their votes really counted and that NO Party could get just over 40% of the votes but get power with overall majorities of 80. That's the real scandal and should be an affront to UK real democracy. First past the post encourages extreme governments it doesn't prevent them. First past the post was fine when the 2 main parties got over 85%+ of votes cast between them. Now they get on or under 75% is ridiculous for one to get absolute power. Labour got around 36% of votes in 2005, the Cons got just over 32% Yet Labour got an overall majority of 68. That's obscene. Last edited by joeysteele; 30-03-2023 at 05:08 PM. |
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30-03-2023, 05:14 PM | #75 | |||
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Joke of a party keeps joking. Not the same as tories, though...
Good news though, because they are going to use a windfall tax on energy companies to freeze your council tax for a year, whilst the energy oligarchy make off with record profits at voters expense.
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