[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

They were all great, including Pickford

Kane was dire
Walker poor
Trippier poor
Foden flatters to deceive


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[Alf]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Kane was dire
Walker poor
Trippier poor
Foden flatters to deceive


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Why do you watch football? It seems to make you miserable.

England are unbeaten in the tournament and are still alive into the semi-finals. Yet every single post of yours is negative and making out that it's disastrous.

What would you have done if we'd have lost our 3 group games and already be out?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Alf

Why do you watch football? It seems to make you miserable.

England are unbeaten in the tournament and are still alive into the semi-finals. Yet every single post of yours is negative and making out that it's disastrous.

What would you have done if we'd have lost our 3 group games and already be out?

I'd have celebrated the end of the Southgate administration.

Southgate's tactics come from another decade, he takes too long to make subs, and he's relying on his great players to get him out of trouble. Once again they did. That cant last.

He's had 100 games in charge now and we still act like he's some kind of novice and we should just be happy to be in the competition

[Alf]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

I'd have celebrated the end of the Southgate administration.

Southgate's tactics come from another decade, he takes too long to make subs, and he's relying on his great players to get him out of trouble. Once again they did. That cant last.

He's had 100 games in charge now and we still act like he's some kind of novice and we should just be happy to be in the competition

But his tactics have done well throughout his tenure.

He's qualified for every tournament they've entered. He's reached the last 4 countries in the World at a World Cup. He reached the last 2 countries in Europe last Euros. And he's reached the last 4 countries in Europe again this time. Still with the opportunity to improve on that position.

He's surpassed any other English manager in history besides Sir Alf who won a tournament. But even he failed to qualify for the 74 World Cup.

As an Arsenal fan, you should know from the George Graham days, that you don't have to be the most attractive team to be successful.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Alf

But his tactics have done well throughout his tenure.

He's qualified for every tournament they've entered. He's reached the last 4 countries in the World at a World Cup. He reached the last 2 countries in Europe last Euros. And he's reached the last 4 countries in Europe again this time. Still with the opportunity to improve on that position.

He's surpassed any other English manager in history besides Sir Alf who won a tournament. But even he failed to qualify for the 74 World Cup.

As an Arsenal fan, you should know from the George Graham days, that you don't have to be the most attractive team to be successful.

All of what you've said is true.

The problem is him. He doesn't talk or act like an elite manager. The Kalvin Phillips comment sums up my point.

When you hear Pep talk he is never too far from talking about how to make the team better. Pass better, defend better etc. GS talking about a player who, I'd say, was never a stand out player like he's prime Steven Gerrard tells me GS is not about 'better'. Its all very safe, which is fine in the group stage and the qualifiers, but when you get to the show you've got to put on a show. He's doesnt see this at all and its like he's too scared to go for it.

I could go on and explain further that his loyalty to players like Phillips, Maguire, Henderson etc also makes my point. He's exactly like how I'd expect say Graham Potter to be as England manager and I'm no fan of his.

GS could go on to win this but it wont be down to him, it'll be the players who change things to win a game.

I remember, on here, you were quite disappointed after the Italy final you mentioned. What happened. How did the deep state get to you.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

All of what you've said is true.

The problem is him. He doesn't talk or act like an elite manager. The Kalvin Phillips comment sums up my point.

When you hear Pep talk he is never too far from talking about how to make the team better. Pass better, defend better etc. GS talking about a player who, I'd say, was never a stand out player like he's prime Steven Gerrard tells me GS is not about 'better'. Its all very safe, which is fine in the group stage and the qualifiers, but when you get to the show you've got to put on a show. He's doesnt see this at all and its like he's too scared to go for it.

I could go on and explain further that his loyalty to players like Phillips, Maguire, Henderson etc also makes my point. He's exactly like how I'd expect say Graham Potter to be as England manager and I'm no fan of his.

GS could go on to win this but it wont be down to him, it'll be the players who change things to win a game.

I remember, on here, you were quite disappointed after the Italy final you mentioned. What happened. How did the deep state get to you.

Of course I was unhappy. We didn't win that one. Still took it to a penalty shoot-out though. His tactics still got him that far.

I was disappointed for the way we just went into all out defense at such an early stage of the game, just because we scored early. So on that occasion, his tactics didn't work, and we got beat for it.

It's much better to critise failure rather than success.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Alf

Of course I was unhappy. We didn't win that one. Still took it to a penalty shoot-out though. His tactics still got him that far.

I was disappointed for the way we just went into all out defense at such an early stage of the game, just because we scored early. So on that occasion, his tactics didn't work, and we got beat for it.

It's much better to critise failure rather than success.

True but it depends on what we define as success.

I remember you being quite critical, cheers for acknowledging that, I was not sure but was kind of confident I recall you were disappointed. I also appreciate your reasons.

I think its gonna be the same though. I cant see this manager doing what he needs to do

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Alf

But his tactics have done well throughout his tenure.

He's qualified for every tournament they've entered. He's reached the last 4 countries in the World at a World Cup. He reached the last 2 countries in Europe last Euros. And he's reached the last 4 countries in Europe again this time. Still with the opportunity to improve on that position.

He's surpassed any other English manager in history besides Sir Alf who won a tournament. But even he failed to qualify for the 74 World Cup.

As an Arsenal fan, you should know from the George Graham days, that you don't have to be the most attractive team to be successful.

We are qualifying easily and reaching semifinals DESPITE Gareth Southgate !


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[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Zizu

We are qualifying easily and reaching semifinals DESPITE Gareth Southgate !


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Tbf Southgate is the only England Manager to consistently get England deep into major competitions, so he does deserve some credit.

And without meaning to single Sven out, but his team did worse with much better players than what Southgate has currently got.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbf Southgate is the only England Manager to consistently get England deep into major competitions, so he does deserve some credit.

And without meaning to single Sven out, but his team did worse with much better players than what Southgate has currently got.

Maybe someone should start a thread comparing the two teams/ squads ?


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[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbf Southgate is the only England Manager to consistently get England deep into major competitions, so he does deserve some credit.

And without meaning to single Sven out, but his team did worse with much better players than what Southgate has currently got.

its more luck than something else LOL, also my choice of foreign manager is a good one though, Galtier is a quality manager who also looks more at the team than big name stars (he even benched Messi, Neymar at PSG)



Swiss had bad luck with Akanji's horribly taken penalty (and that plays for Man City can you imagine)


the penalty strategic subs for Switzerland were done properly by Yakin, yet also not giving up on the match to try and finish it in extra time


Swiss played an excellent tournament to get this far to quarter finals

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Kane was dire
Walker poor
Trippier poor
Foden flatters to deceive


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I mean at the penalties