[arista]

Dogs would have found his body
I would think

[Ammi]

Rescue workers searching for missing British teenager Jay Slater in Tenerife have found a body and are trying to identify it, Spanish police have told Sky News.

"Evidence strongly suggests" the remains are those of the 19-year-old, officers added.

Police said in a statement: "The mountain rescue and intervention group of the Civil Guard has located the lifeless body of a young man in the Masca area after 29 days of constant search.

"Given the complexity of the case, the discovery has been possible thanks to the incessant and discreet search carried out by the Civil Guard during these 29 days, in which the natural space was preserved so that it would not be filled with curious onlookers.

"All indications indicate that it could be the young British man who has been missing since June 17 in the absence of full identification.

"The first investigations reveal that he could have suffered an accident fall in the inaccessible area where he was found."

Canarias Radio reported the Civil Guard had found a body in the village of Masca.

"All indications point to it being Jay Slater, the young British man who disappeared on 17 June in Tenerife," the station posted on X.

"The first investigations point to an accident or fall in the area," it added.


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Mr Slater was last heard from after setting off to walk from a northern area of the island back to his holiday accommodation in the south - a journey of about 11 hours.

He flew out to the Spanish island with friends on 13 June to attend a music festival at Papagayo nightclub in the southern resort of Playa de las Americas three days later.

At 8.30am on 17 June he called his friend Lucy Law, telling her he had missed a bus, his phone battery was on 1%, and he had cut his leg on a cactus.

On Sunday his mother, Debbie Duncan, said the family "cannot put into words" the heartache they have been through.

She said her son was "loved by everyone and has a close bond with his family and many, many friends".

Ms Duncan described her boy as a "loving son, brother, grandson, nephew, cousin and friend to so many".


https://news.sky.com/story/jay-slate...ports-13178191

[arista]

[arista]

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah, i still think his friends no more about what went on

and the two men in the Air B n B

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

Could be an accident
was it not getting dark?

He left the Air B n B first thing in the morning?

At 8.30am on 17 June he called his friend Lucy Law, telling her he had missed a bus, his phone battery was on 1%, and he had cut his leg on a cactus.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

and the two men in the Air B n B

Definitely

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Definitely

They have kept a very low profile given they were one of the last people to see him alive

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Cause of death will be interesting if it is him. Murdered or died of the elements

Not necessarily to be honest, yes it'll show if he was shot/stabbed/beaten to death but unfortunately a "death by accidental fall" (despite what CSI-type shows would have us believe) is relatively easy to fake as a method of killing someone, especially in a rural area with time/no witnesses.

It doesn't really matter that much either way to be honest, it's a "death by misadventure" whether he just stupidly wandered off and fell, or got himself involved in something else... the outcome is the same and the cause ultimately is similar and all-too-common for young people especially young boys as a cause of untimely death. Didn't realise what danger he was putting himself in, made some tragic mistakes.

As before I do still feel for his parents - regardless of what happened and regardless of what he'd done in the past, that's still someone's kid, and not even like "adult offspring", 20 is still basically a child, especially in the mind of a parent.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Not necessarily to be honest, yes it'll show if he was shot/stabbed/beaten to death but unfortunately a "death by accidental fall" (despite what CSI-type shows would have us believe) is relatively easy to fake as a method of killing someone, especially in a rural area with time/no witnesses.

It doesn't really matter that much either way to be honest, it's a "death by misadventure" whether he just stupidly wandered off and fell, or got himself involved in something else... the outcome is the same and the cause ultimately is similar and all-too-common for young people especially young boys as a cause of untimely death. Didn't realise what danger he was putting himself in, made some tragic mistakes.

As before I do still feel for his parents - regardless of what happened and regardless of what he'd done in the past, that's still someone's kid, and not even like "adult offspring", 20 is still basically a child, especially in the mind of a parent.

…(…unless there is clear evidence of wrongdoing and his life being taken by another(others)….wouldn't it be natural causes for a fall, as with Michael Mosley….

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Not necessarily to be honest, yes it'll show if he was shot/stabbed/beaten to death but unfortunately a "death by accidental fall" (despite what CSI-type shows would have us believe) is relatively easy to fake as a method of killing someone, especially in a rural area with time/no witnesses.

It doesn't really matter that much either way to be honest, it's a "death by misadventure" whether he just stupidly wandered off and fell, or got himself involved in something else... the outcome is the same and the cause ultimately is similar and all-too-common for young people especially young boys as a cause of untimely death. Didn't realise what danger he was putting himself in, made some tragic mistakes.

I wouldn't say it doesn't matter, yes he's still dead but if someone was responsible it should be looked into regardless but yes if he was pushed off a cliff or something that's probably impossible to prove

As before I do still feel for his parents - regardless of what happened and regardless of what he'd done in the past, that's still someone's kid, and not even like "adult offspring", 20 is still basically a child, especially in the mind of a parent[/B].

Yes true enough. My own son is 20 now so I agree 20 is still a child to me. Although that machete business.. not the average "boys will be boys" stuff I have to say...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yes true enough. My own son is 20 now so I agree 20 is still a child to me. Although that machete business.. not the average "boys will be boys" stuff I have to say...

No it's obviously horrendous, and tbf I understand why it lessens the sympathy that the general public feel for the guy himself, but I doubt it lessens the pain felt by parents (might make it even worse if they're left thinking they did a poor job/their parenting resulted in some of his life choices - which of course, may in part be the case).

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

No it's obviously horrendous, and tbf I understand why it lessens the sympathy that the general public feel for the guy himself, but I doubt it lessens the pain felt by parents (might make it even worse if they're left thinking they did a poor job/their parenting resulted in some of his life choices - which of course, may in part be the case).

True

[MTVN]

Looks like another case where the truth is simpler than most of the theories

There seems to be a real trend atm for the public to latch onto any story where there's an element of the unknown and subject it to wild speculation. Happened with things like Nicola Bulley, Kate Middleton's illness, this case and now it's also happening with the Trump shooting

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Looks like another case where the truth is simpler than most of the theories

There seems to be a real trend atm for the public to latch onto any story where there's an element of the unknown and subject it to wild speculation. Happened with things like Nicola Bulley, Kate Middleton's illness, this case and now it's also happening with the Trump shooting

It just seemed like such an odd decision to make, to go off road and try and walk such a distance back to where he was staying but I guess if he'd been partying all night his judgment might have been impaired and he just made a stupid choice

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It just seemed like such an odd decision to make, to go off road and try and walk such a distance back to where he was staying but I guess if he'd been partying all night his judgment might have been impaired and he just made a stupid choice

Yeah I think he was probably very disoriented through a combo of drug use, dehydration, heat stroke and no sleep. Maybe thought he'd end up finding some form of transport or that someone would come pick him up at some point

It is still possible he was killed of course but some of the theories were much more outlandish about what might have happened

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yeah I think he was probably very disoriented through a combo of drug use, dehydration, heat stroke and no sleep. Maybe thought he'd end up finding some form of transport or that someone would come pick him up at some point

It is still possible he was killed of course but some of the theories were much more outlandish about what might have happened

I don't know the Island but maybe he thought he could cut through and find a shorter route home off road? Which obviously is a terrible move unless you really know where you're going

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Looks like another case where the truth is simpler than most of the theories

There seems to be a real trend atm for the public to latch onto any story where there's an element of the unknown and subject it to wild speculation. Happened with things like Nicola Bulley, Kate Middleton's illness, this case and now it's also happening with the Trump shooting

Nicola Bulley one was exacerbated by the fact the police took like a month to find a bobbing about body in a small river half a mile from where she was last seen

[user104658]

Originally Posted by MTVN

There seems to be a real trend atm for the public to latch onto any story where there's an element of the unknown and subject it to wild speculation. Happened with things like Nicola Bulley, Kate Middleton's illness, this case and now it's also happening with the Trump shooting

It's a vague combination of three things IMO

1) People have realised that the press is sometimes/often unreliable on getting the full, true story and always has been and thus there will be doubt in every case. "Boy Who Cried Wolf" springs to mind -- no one is willing to automatically believe the prescribed narrative, and thus theories abound to fill the vacuum of "not knowing" which people do not do well with. I mean... this is largely the reason organised religion exists, it's pretty baked into human psychology. We want to know, if we feel we don't know, we will imagine.

2) Instantaneous global communication (accelerated pace of the above age-old mechanism).

2) Simple post-capitalist existential boredom. We have a lot of time to sit around dreaming **** up.

[bots]

what we do know is that he wasn't chopped up and dropped in the sea. This outcome at least allows some form of closure if that's what the family needs

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

This outcome at least allows some form of closure if that's what the family needs

Agreed, best case scenario would be being found alive but a body found is far preferrable to never knowing - which I can only imagine is torturous.

[Ammi]

…I don’t know if I posted it earlier in the thread but I know that I intended to…this is a very interesting article that I read quite early on after Jay’s disappearance and when some of his violent past was revealed and how the internet and social media became a place of cruelty toward him and his family…the article also mentions the ‘armchair detective’ internet activity with Nicola Bully and also how the ‘real Martha’ of the Baby Reindeer story was hounded ….all very toxic stuff…


https://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...-b2567959.html

[Ammi]

…there are possibly many similar articles …

[smudgie]

Awful if not inevitable news for his family and friends.
May he now rest in peace.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Awful if not inevitable news for his family and friends.
May he now rest in peace.

…yeah, an unimaginable thing for a parent to hear those words…’remains have been found…’…then all hope is gone…?..but the not knowing either, though…just destroying…we had a local lad go missing some years back and the not knowing for his family was just …well, I can’t even think of a word…