[Ammi]

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[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…there are possibly many similar articles …

You should read about "the perfect victim" / "the ideal victim" social theories Ammi. They're not exactly what you describe above but conceptually very close - essentially, it's about the purity of the victim directly influencing how worthy they are of sympathy (or being taken seriously at all). Played a VERY heavy hand in the Depp/Heard trial, for example.

It's usually more strongly applied to women than to men (society being, as a whole, far more forgiving of males) however Jay Slater is a clear example of similar happening with a male -- perhaps because of the severity of his past actions.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

You should read about "the perfect victim" / "the ideal victim" social theories Ammi. They're not exactly what you describe above but conceptually very close - essentially, it's about the purity of the victim directly influencing how worthy they are of sympathy (or being taken seriously at all). Played a VERY heavy hand in the Depp/Heard trial, for example.

It's usually more strongly applied to women than to men (society being, as a whole, far more forgiving of males) however Jay Slater is a clear example of similar happening with a male -- perhaps because of the severity of his past actions.

…yeah…(…I think…)…because Jay’s past actions and history of violence would make both him and his family unrelate-able, which kind of throws it all into chaos..and then the power of the internet…as in social media will then all group together in such a negative wave…a bit like the pitchfork scenes in old movies…?…it become like a ‘pack bullying’ almost but it almost become acceptable, its quite weird…I don’t know how it would relate to the Depp/Heard trial but I’ll be interested in that because that in itself had so many areas of ‘uniqueness’…and really engaged public interest with some very strong opinions of it…it really did also become ‘divisive’….

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…yeah…(…I think…)…because Jay’s past actions and history of violence would make both him and his family unrelate-able, which kind of throws it all into chaos..and then the power of the internet…as in social media will then all group together in such a negative wave…a bit like the pitchfork scenes in old movies…?…it become like a ‘pack bullying’ almost but it almost become acceptable, its quite weird…I don’t know how it would relate to the Depp/Heard trial but I’ll be interested in that because that in itself had so many areas of ‘uniqueness’…and really engaged public interest with some very strong opinions of it…it really did also become ‘divisive’….

In short, there's a common attitude both in public and in courts that someone can't be an abuser if they aren't "pure" (i.e. if they've ever done or said anything abusive themselves). People were successfully convinced that Amber Heard "had done bad stuff too" and thus couldn't be a victim of abuse (which, even if true, is incorrect both legally and logically, but that's the whole issue).

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

In short, there's a common attitude both in public and in courts that someone can't be an abuser if they aren't "pure" (i.e. if they've ever done or said anything abusive themselves). People were successfully convinced that Amber Heard "had done bad stuff too" and thus couldn't be a victim of abuse (which, even if true, is incorrect both legally and logically, but that's the whole issue).

…oh that sounds so interesting, exactly my thing……I’ll look up some stuff on ‘the perfect victim’…but yeah, I can see how that’s the ‘relatable’ thing, isn’t it…like in Jay’s case when his past meant that he did something that was unrelatable but then his family and entire circle become unrelatable too…I mean, these things don’t apply to everyone on the internet or everyone on social media etc…but it does all become a collective thing and has a huge impact on ‘the victims’ …/…the people that it’s projected toward…