[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I dont read comments people love to be nasty on social media just because they can, after seeing what can happen to women i.e Afghanistan I more than welcome women being able to do whatever they want given it is with their own free will, fashion models are only hired if the look nice and that goes for both men and women, you wont see too many adverts with people with facial disfigurements unless it is to raise awareness or something, personally I think the walk on girls are being brought back to promote betting rather than anything else

Whether women want to be hired for that job or not wasn't really the point I was arguing here though.

[Liam-]

I’m happy in the knowledge that I don’t look down on woman for what they choose to do in their careers, also that I don’t put women’s careers against each other, or think they’re naive beings who don’t really understand anything if they chose a career that I don’t like.

It’s nice to know that people are happy to discredit peoples opinions based on their gender and sexuality though, I guess the journey to ‘true’ feminism brings out the biases in people

[Cherie]

This is an interesting read from 2017 but still

Darts is now one of Sky’s best-performing sports and the broadcaster has dedicated a whole channel to the World Championship, Sky Sports Darts, every year since the 2015 event.

However, it’s not all about top-line numbers, as the UK broadcast coverage is also attracting a younger audience: the 2016 World Championship coverage on Sky drew a 3% year-on-year increase of viewers from the 25-34 age group, a 1% decrease in viewers from the D/E social demographic, and an 8% increase in viewers from the C1/C2 social demographic. A third of the darts audience on Sky over the last four years has also been female.

These figures are important – and music to the ears of the darts fraternity – because there is a stereotype often directed at darts that its fanbase is made up of older men from the working classes. That may still be true to a certain extent, but it’s audience is certainly shifting to a more diverse demographic make-up – which was seen first hand during the 2015 World Championship when Prince Harry was pictured enjoying a night’s action at Ally Pally.

t’s also worth stressing this isn’t solely a UK phenomenon – both the PDC World Championship and darts more generally are enjoying strong growth on TV in key markets across the globe. The Netherlands is darts’ strongest TV market outside the UK, while eyes should be directed towards Canada, which experienced triple-digit TV viewership growth for the sport in 2016 compared to 2015.

https://www.sportindustry.biz/news-c...nce-you-think/

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I’m happy in the knowledge that I don’t look down on woman for what they choose to do in their careers, also that I don’t put women’s careers against each other, or think they’re naive beings who don’t really understand anything if they chose a career that I don’t like.

It’s nice to know that people are happy to discredit peoples opinions based on their gender and sexuality though, I guess the journey to ‘true’ feminism brings out the biases in people

You're great 👍

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Cherie

This is an interesting read from 2017 but still

Darts is now one of Sky’s best-performing sports and the broadcaster has dedicated a whole channel to the World Championship, Sky Sports Darts, every year since the 2015 event.

However, it’s not all about top-line numbers, as the UK broadcast coverage is also attracting a younger audience: the 2016 World Championship coverage on Sky drew a 3% year-on-year increase of viewers from the 25-34 age group, a 1% decrease in viewers from the D/E social demographic, and an 8% increase in viewers from the C1/C2 social demographic. A third of the darts audience on Sky over the last four years has also been female.

These figures are important – and music to the ears of the darts fraternity – because there is a stereotype often directed at darts that its fanbase is made up of older men from the working classes. That may still be true to a certain extent, but it’s audience is certainly shifting to a more diverse demographic make-up – which was seen first hand during the 2015 World Championship when Prince Harry was pictured enjoying a night’s action at Ally Pally.

t’s also worth stressing this isn’t solely a UK phenomenon – both the PDC World Championship and darts more generally are enjoying strong growth on TV in key markets across the globe. The Netherlands is darts’ strongest TV market outside the UK, while eyes should be directed towards Canada, which experienced triple-digit TV viewership growth for the sport in 2016 compared to 2015.

https://www.sportindustry.biz/news-c...nce-you-think/

haven't watched darts in many many years honestly, wouldn't know if we are still strongest market outside the UK

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

No one mentioned wife beating in relation to this thread at all until Cherie brought up "match day" domestic violence, which I'd mentioned in another thread, weeks ago, and is a very real and well understood issue that every domestic violence service and police force in the country is well aware of. I have no idea why people are so keen to dismiss it as untrue. It just is, factually, real. Clearly it caught in Cherie's throat at the time and it was brought up here weeks later in a totally different context, you'd have to ask her for the reason for that.

Men enjoying ogling women half their age is gross, organisations exploiting the fact that they do for advertising/profit is 10x more gross. I'm not going to change my opinion on either of those things. And they do play into a general public mindset that is ultimately damaging. There's ample evidence that it isn't "harmless".



Slightly baity because it'll take the whole thing right off topic but you're simply wrong. Gammon is a term that makes people uncomfortable and that's why I use it when I use it. I'm well aware that the issue is male objectification if women, not "teh white men", for example there's a massive problem with males in Muslim communities and their attitudes towards women and girls, and the way they view western women and girls (extreme objectification and dehumanisation plays heavily into the issue of grooming gangs, for example). I've said all of this, clearly and openly, in threads on those topics but you fairly consistently ignore those posts and misrepresented me as "only having an issue with white men" so this isn't unusual Cherie. As you were.



I'm only going to take one final swipe at this because again, brick wall, Liam simply doesn't understand the distinction -- this (none of this) has anything at all to do with the choices being made by women.

You're such a literalist... until it suits you not to be.

Much, much too long a mitigation when I've seen for myself what you've said and how insulting you've been.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I’m happy in the knowledge that I don’t look down on woman for what they choose to do in their careers, also that I don’t put women’s careers against each other, or think they’re naive beings who don’t really understand anything if they chose a career that I don’t like.

It’s nice to know that people are happy to discredit peoples opinions based on their gender and sexuality though, I guess the journey to ‘true’ feminism brings out the biases in people

You constantly discredit women. Unless they're trans women. So your opinion on anything to do with females is cancelled out by your own prejudice.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Why do you have so many issues with sports with working class roots, you do not follow sport so jog on maybe?

I have no issue at all with the sports Cherie I have the issue with the often-violent subcultures that emerge around them, and anyone who does care about the image of those sports would - I imagine - have an issue with it too, rather than defending it or refusing to acknowledge that it's a problem.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

You're such a literalist... until it suits you not to be.

Much, much too long a mitigation when I've seen for myself what you've said and how insulting you've been.

There's not much to say on that other than "we're on TiBB". Is that a bit of a flippant stance? Maybe? There's no one here that doesn't basically understand what I mean. This isn't the place for serious discussions, not ever, we all know that. Sometimes I have the energy for it, mostly I've just accepted that this is a platform for venting biases like everyone else here does constantly. The funny thing is we do also enjoy being critical of each other for that.

It could have been better, I say that plenty. It just plainly isn't. The options are accepting the platform for what it is, or not coming on at all.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Livia

I do agree... But I think it might be an overreaction to say it cheapens women in sport. A womens rugby team was recently required to be photographed in lingerie to raise some money for the club. I thought that was far more sexist than getting someone whose only legally chargeable skill is walking in front of some darts players.

If this is the GB rugby squad, it was to highlight something, and not to raise money for the squad.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Beso

If this is the GB rugby squad, it was to highlight something, and not to raise money for the squad.

Is this suggesting that rugby is viewed somehow differently/note favourably?

Because University rugby teams are literally the biggest heap of utter bellends I've yet to encounter, anywhere, at all, in my entire life. The actual worst.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

Is this suggesting that rugby is viewed somehow differently/note favourably?

Because University rugby teams are literally the biggest heap of utter bellends I've yet to encounter, anywhere, at all, in my entire life. The actual worst.

I wont be answering anymore questions from you until you answer the one I asked you

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Beso

I wont be answering anymore questions from you until you answer the one I asked you

I'm not going to check back so you'll need to repeat it.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

I'm not going to check back so you'll need to repeat it.

Do you find the walk on girls sexy?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Beso

Do you find the walk on girls sexy?

I did answer that and said that I don't find anything about it sexy in the slightest. I'm sorry if that's not the answer you want?

Are you asking if I think they're objectively good looking? I'm sure I'd think some of them are, some of them aren't. I don't find 20 year olds sexy or attractive in any way. I fundamentally disagree with the premise that older men will "always" be more attracted to younger women. Girls in their 20's look like teenagers to me. There's nothing sexy about that. I saw it differently when I was Mock's age, because they weren't much younger than me. I find the picture posted of the old man looking in the mirror and seeing himself as a young man in his 20's (and thus excusing being still attracted to much younger women) a false and abhorrent thing to normalise about men. We ain't all like that. The idea that we "secretly are" is BS.

But apparently some of them are older so maybe I'd agree that some of them are attractive? I doubt they all look the same? How can anyone say that every last one is attractive/sexy ... What a wide net to cast. It's always going to be subjective.

Even if I did think they were attractive, seeing the walk-on darts parade would be immediately and completely un-sexy.

If you're really that nosy about what gets me going though Parmy, for some reason... Here it is - what I find sexy has nothing to do with anything you can gatger from a picture or seeing someone on telly. So even the age-appropriate ones, I can't tell you if I think they're "sexy". I haven't met them.

That's all a bit long winded so here's the short answer;

"Do I look at darts walk on girls and think ooh how sexy"

The answer is "no".

[Crimson Dynamo]

Everyone knows this is the Senior's tour, which is all about nostalgia and that is why they have brought the girls back for this tour only

They are trying to recreate the darts for the 80s etc



right?

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

I did answer that and said that I don't find anything about it sexy in the slightest. I'm sorry if that's not the answer you want?

Are you asking if I think they're objectively good looking? I'm sure I'd think some of them are, some of them aren't. I don't find 20 year olds sexy or attractive in any way. I fundamentally disagree with the premise that older men will "always" be more attracted to younger women. Girls in their 20's look like teenagers to me. There's nothing sexy about that. I saw it differently when I was Mock's age, because they weren't much younger than me. I find the picture posted of the old man looking in the mirror and seeing himself as a young man in his 20's (and thus excusing being still attracted to much younger women) a false and abhorrent thing to normalise about men. We ain't all like that. The idea that we "secretly are" is BS.

But apparently some of them are older so maybe I'd agree that some of them are attractive? I doubt they all look the same? How can anyone say that every last one is attractive/sexy ... What a wide net to cast. It's always going to be subjective.

Even if I did think they were attractive, seeing the walk-on darts parade would be immediately and completely un-sexy.

If you're really that nosy about what gets me going though Parmy, for some reason... Here it is - what I find sexy has nothing to do with anything you can gatger from a picture or seeing someone on telly. So even the age-appropriate ones, I can't tell you if I think they're "sexy". I haven't met them.

That's all a bit long winded so here's the short answer;

"Do I look at darts walk on girls and think ooh how sexy"

The answer is "no".

Isn’t your step mum the same age or younger than you ?

What was your dad when he m t her and how old was she ?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Isn’t your step mum the same age or younger than you ?

What was your dad when he m t her and how old was she ?

About 6 years older, and she was in her late 30's and him in his late 50's.

If he'd been picking up 20 year olds I'll be frank and say I'd have been very, very concerned and most likely would have cut contact.

Again though, everyone is extremely distracted by the age part of things here when that's really a sub-plot in this thread, I've said 4 or 5 times that it isn't better that the women are in their 30's, and it wouldn't be better if they were in their 40's, or 50's, or any other age bracket.

Id just the old lads a little less if it was older women, but the thing itself would still be objectifying and damaging. I wouldn't judge the organisers any less. It's not just gross "because of their age".

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

I did answer that and said that I don't find anything about it sexy in the slightest. I'm sorry if that's not the answer you want?

Are you asking if I think they're objectively good looking? I'm sure I'd think some of them are, some of them aren't. I don't find 20 year olds sexy or attractive in any way. I fundamentally disagree with the premise that older men will "always" be more attracted to younger women. Girls in their 20's look like teenagers to me. There's nothing sexy about that. I saw it differently when I was Mock's age, because they weren't much younger than me. I find the picture posted of the old man looking in the mirror and seeing himself as a young man in his 20's (and thus excusing being still attracted to much younger women) a false and abhorrent thing to normalise about men. We ain't all like that. The idea that we "secretly are" is BS.

But apparently some of them are older so maybe I'd agree that some of them are attractive? I doubt they all look the same? How can anyone say that every last one is attractive/sexy ... What a wide net to cast. It's always going to be subjective.

Even if I did think they were attractive, seeing the walk-on darts parade would be immediately and completely un-sexy.

If you're really that nosy about what gets me going though Parmy, for some reason... Here it is - what I find sexy has nothing to do with anything you can gatger from a picture or seeing someone on telly. So even the age-appropriate ones, I can't tell you if I think they're "sexy". I haven't met them.

That's all a bit long winded so here's the short answer;

"Do I look at darts walk on girls and think ooh how sexy"

The answer is "no".

So it's your snobbery that thinks everyone else does.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

About 6 years older, and she was in her late 30's and him in his late 50's.

If he'd been picking up 20 year olds I'll be frank and say I'd have been very, very concerned and most likely would have cut contact.

Again though, everyone is extremely distracted by the age part of things here when that's really a sub-plot in this thread, I've said 4 or 5 times that it isn't better that the women are in their 30's, and it wouldn't be better if they were in their 40's, or 50's, or any other age bracket.

Id just the old lads a little less if it was older women, but the thing itself would still be objectifying and damaging. I wouldn't judge the organisers any less. It's not just gross "because of their age".

What age are the women characters in all the PS5 games you play

hopefully most will be 40s 50s and 60s?

I just checked one you like to Play called Until Dawn

here is a main character

[Kazanne]

i don't watch darts so it doesn't affect me ,I just wonder why ?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Here are some "female" characters from another game you love

FFXV

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

i don't watch darts so it doesn't affect me ,I just wonder why ?

i don't watch it cause it's boring, i don't know why you don't watch

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Beso

So it's your snobbery that thinks everyone else does.

I've not once said that everyone else does? The ones who like the walk on girls being there/argue that it's something that should continue are the ones I have an issue with. Plenty of people I'm sure couldn't give a sht if they're there or not. It's an outdated misogynistic practice that belongs in the past. People who agree with that will be fine with putting an end to it, people who aren't bothered either way will be fine with putting an end to it... The only ones who will have an issue with stopping it are the ones who actively enjoy it. Ogling.

Of course you'll get some who are simply stuck on the idea that "it's traditional!" and just don't like any sort of change in general but is there even any reason to go down that path. It's just not a good enough reason by far. Bin it off.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bots

i don't watch it cause it's boring, i don't know why you don't watch

I meant i wonder why they need the walk on girls again,lol. and yes I find it boring too