[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The double standards are so weird. Nathan is viewed as a gay man because he likes men too but Ali can't possibly be a lesbian because she was previously with men.

we do not know if he is a full gay or indeed if he has ever been with a man

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

we do not know if he is a full gay or indeed if he has ever been with a man

He said he came out as gay before

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Beso

It's not a case of "go gay, you gotta stay" she changed once, so can change again..theres gay men on here who have slept with women after coming out.

Do you also query whether straight HM's fancy the same sex as them? Does Khaled fancy Segun? They seem pretty close...

Ali has called herself a lesbian. The constant (not just by you) questioning on whether she fancies men when she's specifically stated she's a lesbian is disrespectful. People don't struggle to come to terms with their sexuality only for others to invalidate it.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Do you also query whether straight HM's fancy the same sex as them? Does Khaled fancy Segun? They seem pretty close...

Ali has called herself a lesbian. The constant (not just by you) questioning on whether she fancies men when she's specifically stated she's a lesbian is disrespectful. People don't struggle to come to terms with their sexuality only for others to invalidate it.

Kahled and Segun don't t pull each others hair then hug afterwards to make up.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Beso

Kahled and Segun don't t pull each others hair then hug afterwards to make up.

That's a no then...

[Beso]

Originally Posted by BBXX

That's a no then...

It's a would if I saw something pointing towards it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I mean look at Schofield

[Crimson Dynamo]

Or Edwards

[BBXX]

Both men from a generation in which being gay was a criminal offence and then when it wasn't was still frowned upon. Many older gay men have lived secret lives married to women, fathering children, hiding away simply because it wasn't safe to be a gay man.

If Ali had inclinations to be in relationship with a man or partake in sexual activity with a man, at any point, she'd identify as bisexual or queer, or do what Nathan does and simply not put a label on it. She called herself a lesbian and there is no reason why that shouldn't be respected.

If you want further education on the complexities of sexuality, I am sure there are resources out there that can help.

[caprimint]

Absolutely not, even if she wasn't a lesbian she'd go for a guy who isn't such a **** towards women

[bots]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

we do not know if he is a full gay or indeed if he has ever been with a man

did you see him in the diary room early in the hl last night? That was 100% gay man

People don't turn one way or another, they are what they are. Trying to explain conflict as sexual attraction, just doesn't apply 99% of the time

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The double standards are so weird. Nathan is viewed as a gay man because he likes men too but Ali can't possibly be a lesbian because she was previously with men.

I don’t have a problem with Ali being a lesbian and have never questioned her wanting any of the men or even thinking she wants any of the men

Don’t have a problem with Nathan not putting a label on his sexuality but and it’s a big but everything about Nathan screams out gay man
From the way he dresses his mannerisms the looks he gives he’s the pouting lips

The fact that it’s a game show the fact this romance came out of the blue the cringy interactions makes it perfectly reasonable to question Nathan
Ali has given no indication at all that she wants a man from the house or from the outside world

[bots]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Don’t have a problem with Nathan not putting a label on his sexuality but and it’s a big but everything about Nathan screams out gay man
From the way he dresses his mannerisms the looks he gives he’s the pouting lips

The fact that it’s a game show the fact this romance came out of the blue the cringy interactions makes it perfectly reasonable to question Nathan
Ali has given no indication at all that she wants a man from the house or from the outside world

i pointed out his diary room interview in the HL last night. It was exactly as you say. All his mannerisms shouted gay man

[thesheriff443]

Not really the right thread but if you look last night at Ali’s reaction to being targeted she wasn’t upset she was happy because she had got a negative and nasty reaction out of three housemates in front of the whole house

Her eyes lit up, because in that moment she went from the agressor to the victim

[Swan]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Not really the right thread but if you look last night at Ali’s reaction to being targeted she wasn’t upset she was happy because she had got a negative and nasty reaction out of three housemates in front of the whole house

Her eyes lit up, because in that moment she went from the agressor to the victim

Yep. Im amazed at how many people she's fooling, but there you are. So glad i checked the odds and got 10/1 on her now. I don't want her to win, but at least if she does i'll win Ł200.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Both men from a generation in which being gay was a criminal offence and then when it wasn't was still frowned upon. Many older gay men have lived secret lives married to women, fathering children, hiding away simply because it wasn't safe to be a gay man.

If Ali had inclinations to be in relationship with a man or partake in sexual activity with a man, at any point, she'd identify as bisexual or queer, or do what Nathan does and simply not put a label on it. She called herself a lesbian and there is no reason why that shouldn't be respected.

If you want further education on the complexities of sexuality, I am sure there are resources out there that can help.

That's a bit of a reach, you don't know me, you dont know my age..I will tell you though, I'm from the generation that opened the door for gays to be as gay as they want.

Generation x baby.

[GlitterUK]

No.
But I think Martha fancies Ali.
Segun and Hanah go really well
Rosie and Nathan have something, just cannot work out.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Beso

That's a bit of a reach, you don't know me, you dont know my age..I will tell you though, I'm from the generation that opened the door for gays to be as gay as they want.

Generation x baby.

I didn't say anything about your age. I questioned how much you are educated on homosexuality. Some previous comments you've made come across as ignorant or just simply homophobic.

Unless you were actually active in your Generations door opening, you can't take credit for it. If you were, that's great but it would be very at odds with some remarks you've made previously that are somewhat problematic.

[Beso]

Very active in opening doors..and as a collective, a whole generation..thank us later.

[Beso]

@BBXX, could you quote me something I've said to make you think I'm homophobic please.

[GoldGlitter]

Originally Posted by Beso

She talks differently to him, and he gets more leeway than any of the other men with her and they always have a big strong hug after every conversation.

Are you off your trolley? Absolutely.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by GoldGlitter

Are you off your trolley? Absolutely.

Probably...are you easily excited?

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Beso

@BBXX, could you quote me something I've said to make you think I'm homophobic please.

Most recently calling the Jordan/Henry relationship a "gay parade" that you were force fed. And now invalidating Ali's sexuality.

I don't know you so I'm not saying you are homophobic, but some of the comments I have read are questionable to me, that's all.

[Ray.]

I do think she was flattered when he joked about them kissing in the smoking room. She kept randomly bringing it up with others and carrying it on at the time. I think that bought him time as far as her taking issue with the way he naturally speaks. And I actually think Marcello knows this. I think it might be why he went to check on her after Khaled/Segun/Hanah's talk about her was exposed. But actual attraction towards him? I very much doubt it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Beso

Very active in opening doors..and as a collective, a whole generation..thank us later.

And its why the yoof of today have never had it so good Beso

Pioneers like us never ask for thanks, don't want it tbh

we were DEI champions before it was even invented