[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by jet

How do you feel then about those who have had a lot/some/no dance training whatsoever competing in the same contest? Tasha had a LOT of dance experience, JB had quite a lot, I don’t know about Sarah but we know Chris had absolutely none. The participants on Strictly have never been competing on an ‘equal turf’.
Given that, do you think there should be different shows for those with dance training and those with none at all?

I’m in absolute awe at how he managed to dance without getting his feet entangled with Diane’s; his footwork and positioning were exceptional, as the judges pointed out and marked accordingly.
How Diane taught him all the different moves and how he carried them out so well is astounding. I just don’t know how they did it!
I’d agree with you if he was crap and getting low marks every week, but far from it.
A remarkable achievement and an absolutely worthy winner!

The ringers don't have an advantage in the public vote, which is where my complaint lies.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Santa Goth

The ringers don't have an advantage in the public vote, which is where my complaint lies.

I'm not getting what you mean here Mock. Could you exlpain further?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by jet

I'm not getting what you mean here Mock. Could you exlpain further?

The ringers tend to do poorly in the public votes on average, so if anything they're disadvantaged in the competition where it counts.

Where as goodlooking contestants that aren't ringers, and disabled contestants (regardless of any other popular characteristics that they might have) will do well in the public vote, regardless of their performances.

To mention Sam this year for example (because Livia did mention her earlier) she clearly had a nice bump in her vote due to her looks, but was also seen as relatable because she clearly didn't have dancing experience prior to the Show.

And obviously disabled contestants do get pushed towards the top 6 fairly often.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Santa Goth

The ringers tend to do poorly in the public votes on average, so if anything they're disadvantaged in the competition where it counts.

Not usually a disadvantage ……These past winners all had a lot of or some previous dance experience.

Alesha Dixon
Kara Tointon
Tom Chambers
Abbey Clancy
Caroline Flack
Jay McGuiness
Kelvin Fletcher
Bill Bailey
Jill Halfpenny
Jay McGuiness


I'm not sure if the average casual viewer even thinks about/knows who has previous dance experience and who hasn't, they likely just consider how well they are progressing from week 1 onwards and base their opinions on that.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by jet

Not usually a disadvantage ……These past winners all had a lot of or some previous dance experience.

Alesha Dixon
Kara Tointon
Tom Chambers
Abbey Clancy
Caroline Flack
Jay McGuiness
Kelvin Fletcher
Bill Bailey

I'm not sure if the average casual viewer even thinks about/knows who has previous dance experience and who hasn't, they likely just consider how well they are progressing from week 1 onwards and base their opinions on that.

You've named 8 winners after 21-22 series of the Show, that's not that many really considering how many ringers have been on the Show over the years that have had dire voting that always ends up getting exposed by the end of the Show.

I mean just this series alone we've had Tasha and JB do bad in most of the votes, but the leaderboard kept shielding them.

Leyton last year didn't exactly have one of the big fanbases.

Fleur East and Molly in Hamza's year both had dire public support.

Alexandra Burke, Debbie McGhee, and Aston.

Didn't Rachel Stevens from S Club 7 also have issues in the voting in her year?

Karim in the year Kelvin won, had issues in his vote.

That's just 10 of them off the top of my head, there's probably more.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by jet

Not usually a disadvantage ……These past winners all had a lot of or some previous dance experience.

Alesha Dixon
Kara Tointon
Tom Chambers
Abbey Clancy
Caroline Flack
Jay McGuiness
Kelvin Fletcher
Bill Bailey

I'm not sure if the average casual viewer even thinks about/knows who has previous dance experience and who hasn't, they likely just consider how well they are progressing from week 1 onwards and base their opinions on that.

as far as i know, Abbey, Kelvin, Bill didn't have past dance experience though?

the one thing that worked in Bill's advantage, was besides being a comedian, he also is a musician, that and the fact it was a covid pandemic reduced series


Kelvin is a natural i think, which came across more impressive since he was a late entrant (instead of Jamie Laing who was injured after the launch show group number)


Abbey was kinda mediocre early weeks but gradually turned into a dancer all thanks to Aljaz's brilliant teaching skills as well as after the halloween week shock dance off appearance ignited her fire to improve more and more




you forgot Jill Halfpenny, an actual ringer who went on to win

[jet]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

as far as i know, Abbey, Kelvin, Bill didn't have past dance experience though?

According to what I've read in the past, they did. Here's one link:


BBC Strictly: Past winners with prior dance experience
https://www.mylondon.news/news/tv/bb...helen-24961833

[Livia]

Originally Posted by jet

Not usually a disadvantage ……These past winners all had a lot of or some previous dance experience.

Alesha Dixon
Kara Tointon
Tom Chambers
Abbey Clancy
Caroline Flack
Jay McGuiness
Kelvin Fletcher
Bill Bailey
Jill Halfpenny
Jay McGuiness


I'm not sure if the average casual viewer even thinks about/knows who has previous dance experience and who hasn't, they likely just consider how well they are progressing from week 1 onwards and base their opinions on that.

I went to dance classes when I was a kid, you could never say I had real previous dance training, maybe some of these did the same kind of classes too? However, Tasha also studied commercial dance at uni, which means she would have studied a wide range of dance styles. Ashley Roberts studied dance her whole life, in fact, her mother owns a dance school and Layton Williams had already starred in a West End production of Billy Elliot. These are the dancers the judges will push through to the final but who the public will never allow to win.