[Merry Mockmas]

Out of interest.

What happens in the Bathroom/changing room situation where the Transwoman has had the full operation (Penis removed etc,) does she still not get the right to use the Bathroom?

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I do appreciate that POV, but why are Trans women being held responsible for the actions of cis men? Why are they having their own protections removed for the safety of others for which the perpetrators are not them? Why are they collateral damage?

Did you know that some rapists in the UK only get 4 years in Prison?

A bit of a wild tangent on my part I know, but it's crazy how little deterrent there actually is for rape in the UK.

Because I know that apparently some rape cases in the UK can go up to 19 years in Prison, but I do tend to hear about the 4 year ones than I ever do the 19.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Out of interest.

What happens in the Bathroom/changing room situation where the Transwoman has had the full operation (Penis removed etc,) does she still not get the right to use the Bathroom?

Despite how it sounds, this law change isn't actually stating that trans women are men - it's saying that women only means women on matters relating to the Equality Act.

Things like woman-only shortlists, they won't be required to allow trans women in.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Despite how it sounds, this law change isn't actually stating that trans women are men - it's saying that women only means women on matters relating to the Equality Act.

Things like woman-only shortlists, they won't be required to allow trans women in.

And as a result, I think it's created more grey area than there was beforehand.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Despite how it sounds, this law change isn't actually stating that trans women are men - it's saying that women only means women on matters relating to the Equality Act.

Things like woman-only shortlists, they won't be required to allow trans women in.

Okay, thanks for the info.

I'm going to have to slowly understand it all as a facts nerd.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by BBXX

And as a result, I think it's created more grey area than there was beforehand.

no it hasnt

[Good King Glennceslas]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Out of interest.

What happens in the Bathroom/changing room situation where the Transwoman has had the full operation (Penis removed etc,) does she still not get the right to use the Bathroom?

Be interesting to know people’s answers to this.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Judges unanimously ruled that the terms “woman” and “sex” in the 2010
Equality Act referred to biological sex, not the gender with which a person
identifies.

The justices said that for the purpose of equality laws, transgender women
were not legally women, even if they have a gender recognition certificate.


They found that blurring the boundary of sex would also create “confusion
and impracticability” around the provision of “single sex characteristic
associations and charities, women’s fair participation in sport, the operation
of the public sector equality duty, and the Armed Forces”.

Judges also ruled that sex is binary, meaning the central tenet of gender
ideology – that there is a spectrum of gender identities – has no basis in law.

The ruling means that people who were born male can lawfully be excluded
from women’s sports, changing rooms, lavatories, women-only support
groups and women-only shortlists. The judgment will require a wholesale
rewriting of rules across the public and private sectors.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...-court-ruling/

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Be interesting to know people’s answers to this.

the answer is that you cannot change sex, its impossible to do so.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by arista

Ella Morgan
a Trans, is still going to go into a Ladies Bog.


She spoke on GMBHD itv 7:15AM.

MP's would not deal with this
look at the state Starmer got into on LBC
a year back or so.


Legally Ella is a Man.
she admits it

Isn't it amazing, the idea that men would jump on the trans issue to access womens spaces has always been denied and poo poohed and women have been called TERFs for actually raising the issue and here we are the day after the ruling a journalist and a transwoman actually agreeing that this could happen and has happened....... the gaslighting on women on this issue has been horrible .... so its nice to finally have this actually acknowledged

[Good King Glennceslas]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

the answer is that you cannot change sex, its impossible to do so.

Yeah exactly the answer I knew you were gonna say.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Yeah exactly the answer I knew you were gonna say.

This affects lesbians as well you know so its not very cut and dried for your community

[Good King Glennceslas]

Originally Posted by Cherie

This affects lesbians as well you know so its not very cut and dried for your community

That’s not what I asked Cherie. The question asked was what happens with the trans women that no longer have a penis and have gone through full transition.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

That’s not what I asked Cherie. The question asked was what happens with the trans women that no longer have a penis and have gone through full transition.

Legally she is not a woman in the eyes of the law, its not the end of the world to use the disabled facilities is it? but I expect she will use the ladies and no one will bat an eyelid ..

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Despite how it sounds, this law change isn't actually stating that trans women are men - it's saying that women only means women on matters relating to the Equality Act.

Things like woman-only shortlists, they won't be required to allow trans women in.

Correct it's only stating that there must be a clear legal distinction between biological sex at birth and gender identity and that sex-based protections apply to biological sex. There already are (and may be more) protections for trans people separate to that. The legal distinction is hugely important for various reasons... and does not say "transwomen are men". Just that they're not biologically women. They're transwomen.

Like I said on the previous page though, OF COURSE the "anti-woke warriors" will also want to frame all of this as a victory "against the libs". As I always say, women have good reason to celebrate this, but don't forget that a huge number of the men celebrating it as not the friends or allies of women. They don't care about you, and many of them hold women in outright contempt, they're just using this issue because it fits another agenda. Messy stuff.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

That’s not what I asked Cherie. The question asked was what happens with the trans women that no longer have a penis and have gone through full transition.

As has always been the case, what SHOULD happen is that bathrooms etc should be gender neutral single self-contained rooms. That was always the solution to the "bathroom problem". It doesn't need to be a problem at all. I know it's more complicated than that - but only because communal bathrooms are already an established norm. They're an outdated concept. No one actually wants them.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

Correct it's only stating that there must be a clear legal distinction between biological sex at birth and gender identity and that sex-based protections apply to biological sex. There already are (and may be more) protections for trans people separate to that. The legal distinction is hugely important for various reasons... and does not say "transwomen are men". Just that they're not biologically women. They're transwomen.

Like I said on the previous page though, OF COURSE the "anti-woke warriors" will also want to frame all of this as a victory "against the libs". As I always say, women have good reason to celebrate this, but don't forget that a huge number of the men celebrating it as not the friends or allies of women. They don't care about you, and many of them hold women in outright contempt, they're just using this issue because it fits another agenda. Messy stuff.

I don't think this needs pointing out at all, there are bad actors on both sides, and women know they can only rely on themselves when it boils down to it, there may be allies on both sides of course, but if the past few years of being called bigot, Terf etc has taught us anything it is that we have to protect ourselves, men are not ging to step up for us ....look at Starmer wittering on about cervixs, a disgrace

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

Correct it's only stating that there must be a clear legal distinction between biological sex at birth and gender identity and that sex-based protections apply to biological sex. There already are (and may be more) protections for trans people separate to that. The legal distinction is hugely important for various reasons... and does not say "transwomen are men". Just that they're not biologically women. They're transwomen.

Like I said on the previous page though, OF COURSE the "anti-woke warriors" will also want to frame all of this as a victory "against the libs". As I always say, women have good reason to celebrate this, but don't forget that a huge number of the men celebrating it as not the friends or allies of women. They don't care about you, and many of them hold women in outright contempt, they're just using this issue because it fits another agenda. Messy stuff.

Yeah, unfortunately at the moment it feels like a mess for women coming from both "sides" for different reasons

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

As has always been the case, what SHOULD happen is that bathrooms etc should be gender neutral single self-contained rooms. That was always the solution to the "bathroom problem". It doesn't need to be a problem at all. I know it's more complicated than that - but only because communal bathrooms are already an established norm. They're an outdated concept. No one actually wants them.

Yeah, this is certainly the way, for public toilets anyway, although it could be a big expense or space issue for a lot of places that already have those communal set ups in place like schools and shopping centres etc. In my work we have just two self contained rooms like that.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Did you know that some rapists in the UK only get 4 years in Prison?

A bit of a wild tangent on my part I know, but it's crazy how little deterrent there actually is for rape in the UK.

Because I know that apparently some rape cases in the UK can go up to 19 years in Prison, but I do tend to hear about the 4 year ones than I ever do the 19.

Most rape cases get nothing at all

[Jessica.]

A woman gets murdered by her cis male partner every 2 days in the UK but "feminists" are putting their energy into fighting to take away the rights of trans women instead, you couldn't make it up.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

A woman gets murdered by her cis male partner every 2 days in the UK but "feminists" are putting their energy into fighting to take away the rights of trans women instead, you couldn't make it up.

Murder is already illegal Jessica. But just fyi, feminists were the ones who set up all the domestic violence refuges for women

[Good King Glennceslas]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

As has always been the case, what SHOULD happen is that bathrooms etc should be gender neutral single self-contained rooms. That was always the solution to the "bathroom problem". It doesn't need to be a problem at all. I know it's more complicated than that - but only because communal bathrooms are already an established norm. They're an outdated concept. No one actually wants them.

You say that but there is still people who are triggered by gender neutral toilets. Even though there are gender neutral toilets everywhere.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

You say that but there is still people who are triggered by gender neutral toilets. Even though there are gender neutral toilets everywhere.

Well exactly, there are people who are concerned about the actual issues and then there are others who just "hate woke stuff" and bleat on about "mind viruses" and other memey/propaganda-stuff. That's half the issue all around, really.

[arista]

Good
London Transport Male Officers can
Now search Tran men/women