[arista]

[All babies could have their DNA mapped
to test for future illnesses under a plan
unveiled by the government,
it has been reported. Labour is set
to pour £650m into DNA technology
in an effort to treat serious illnesses
before they become a problem.]


[Every newborn baby in the UK will have a
DNA screening as part of an NHS 'revolution'
to battle killer diseases.
The health secretary Wes Streeting said
new technology in areas such as genomics
would help 'leapfrog' illnesses.
The Government is set to pour £650 million
into DNA technology in an effort to
treat serious illnesses before
they become a problem.]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...evolution.html

Yes, it makes some sense to do.

[Livia]

Hmmm... Sounds like something that starts with good intentions then descends into the sinister. Maybe they could tattoo bar codes on them too so we know who's who.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

Hmmm... Sounds like something that starts with good intentions then descends into the sinister. Maybe they could tattoo bar codes on them too so we know who's who.

Do not give them ideas

[Kate!]

This is a very bad idea. They are going to do treatments for things they might never get? Or give medication unnecessarily? No no no.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I am sure the NHS will be a safe and secure guardian for all the DNA samples

what with their up-to-date software etc

[joeysteele]

Need to hear more about it but it seems to make sense and be a worthwhile project.

[Glenn.]

Imagine being more afraid of a genome map than a child dying from a preventable illness. People’s priorities are ****ed.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Imagine being more afraid of a genome map than a child dying from a preventable illness. People’s priorities are ****ed.

No, just don't see the point in putting a child through unnecessary treatments when it probably won't be needed!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Imagine being more afraid of a genome map than a child dying from a preventable illness. People’s priorities are ****ed.

A few years ago you were quickly made terrified of catching a cold, got largely untested vaccines pumped into you and walked around with a paper muzzle on every time you went out

Id imagine you stood in your street banging a saucepan too

You trusted the science...

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Imagine being more afraid of a genome map than a child dying from a preventable illness. People’s priorities are ****ed.

I concur …


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[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

A few years ago you were quickly made terrified of catching a cold, got largely untested vaccines pumped into you and walked around with a paper muzzle on every time you went out

Id imagine you stood in your street banging a saucepan too

You trusted the science...

Sorry you didn’t like the masks, must’ve been hard gasping for breath between coughing up nonsense on Facebook.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Kate!

No, just don't see the point in putting a child through unnecessary treatments when it probably won't be needed!

Unnecessary treatments? It’s called screening. Nobody’s jumping to give toddlers chemo for fun, calm down.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Livia

Hmmm... Sounds like something that starts with good intentions then descends into the sinister. Maybe they could tattoo bar codes on them too so we know who's who.

We're getting more and more Dystopian.

So it wouldn't surprise me.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Unnecessary treatments? It’s called screening. Nobody’s jumping to give toddlers chemo for fun, calm down.

Oh look! You clearly saw that post. So I was right about you spouting garbage about not seeing anything I wrote.

Back on topic...why put them through screening then even when it's only a what if? Or putting them on medication as a preventative when they might never need it, eg if heart disease is in their DNA.

I don't agree with it. And don't tell me in a patronising fashion to calm down. Watch how you speak to people, it's damm rude. I was perfectly calm and reasoned in my post. You calm down instead.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Kate!

Oh look! You clearly saw that post. So I was right about you spouting garbage about not seeing anything I wrote.

Back on topic...why put them through screening then even when it's only a what if? Or putting them on medication as a preventative when they might never need it, eg if heart disease is in their DNA.

I don't agree with it. And don't tell me in a patronising fashion to calm down. Watch how you speak to people, it's damm rude. I was perfectly calm and reasoned in my post. You calm down instead.

I can still see ignored posts when I want to, and I decide if or when I bother responding. It’s called being in control, you should try it sometime.

And screening? It’s about knowing, not forcing treatments. Information doesn’t ‘traumatise’ a child, but ignorance sure can. Not that I expect you to comprehend the difference.

Anyway, you stay ‘calm and reasoned’ over there. The rest of us will stick with common sense and leave the pearl‑clutching to you.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

We're getting more and more Dystopian.

So it wouldn't surprise me.

No, this makes sense
As the Technology finds out the truth,

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by arista

No, this makes sense
As the Technology finds out the truth,

This is fine imo.

I was talking about Livia's hypothetical future where babies have trackers implanted into them from birth, it honestly wouldn't surprise me if society went down that path.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

This is fine imo.

I was talking about Livia's hypothetical future where babies have trackers implanted into them from birth, it honestly wouldn't surprise me if society went down that path.

For sure
down the road
anything can change

[BBXX]

I am personally 50/50 on this. On a very surface level, it seems like a good thing:

It's important to consider that they will only be looking for conditions that:
- are reliably detectable,
- would impact quality of life if left undetected,
- have proven improved outcome when intervention has been put in place before symptoms show
- have treatment available.

However this isn't perfect - on a totally basic level, this could effect things like travel insurance from birth, even if the symptoms aren;'t showing and could not effect someone for decades to come. There is also the very real threat of data-selling, potentially. It would need to have an incredibly tight security around it.

Having said all that, I would be lying if I said I trusted any Government at all, and particularly with health issues.

There was something extremely weird about the way in which governments manufactured and manipulated the fear and control during covid pandemic which will forever make me look at them suspiciously.

[bots]

am i the only one that is alarmed that this is announced at the same time as assisted dying passes in the commons?

[bots]

i can see a future where today's children are forced to accept treatment or they will lose future benefits, and that is just one thought. With the advances in AI, future generations are going to be targeted based on their genetics in all sorts of ways. Take it to its logical end point and it is like nazi's generating the super race.

Can people really sit here and say they trust the government and corporations and the wealthy to look after the publics interests

[Ammi]

…it feels very much like a ‘Big Brother’ type thing and it would be lovely to think that it’s all for good reasons and for the good of the people etc…but recent governments sadly have a leaning to act in their own interest/…not the interest of the people…more and more their actions are feeling like ‘control’ rather than care…it should feel quite positive bu it doesn’t for me, it feels quite scary…

[arista]

"it feels quite scary…"


Of course Ammi
it has the power of life or death.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by arista

"it feels quite scary…"


Of course Ammi
it has the power of life or death.

….handed over to our government who would struggle with the power of ordering a Saturday evening take-away…

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

I can still see ignored posts when I want to, and I decide if or when I bother responding. It’s called being in control, you should try it sometime.

And screening? It’s about knowing, not forcing treatments. Information doesn’t ‘traumatise’ a child, but ignorance sure can. Not that I expect you to comprehend the difference.

Anyway, you stay ‘calm and reasoned’ over there. The rest of us will stick with common sense and leave the pearl‑clutching to you.

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

This is fine imo.

I was talking about Livia's hypothetical future where babies have trackers implanted into them from birth, it honestly wouldn't surprise me if society went down that path.

Originally Posted by BBXX

I am personally 50/50 on this. On a very surface level, it seems like a good thing:

It's important to consider that they will only be looking for conditions that:
- are reliably detectable,
- would impact quality of life if left undetected,
- have proven improved outcome when intervention has been put in place before symptoms show
- have treatment available.

However this isn't perfect - on a totally basic level, this could effect things like travel insurance from birth, even if the symptoms aren;'t showing and could not effect someone for decades to come. There is also the very real threat of data-selling, potentially. It would need to have an incredibly tight security around it.

Having said all that, I would be lying if I said I trusted any Government at all, and particularly with health issues.

There was something extremely weird about the way in which governments manufactured and manipulated the fear and control during covid pandemic which will forever make me look at them suspiciously.

Originally Posted by bots

am i the only one that is alarmed that this is announced at the same time as assisted dying passes in the commons?

Originally Posted by bots

i can see a future where today's children are forced to accept treatment or they will lose future benefits, and that is just one thought. With the advances in AI, future generations are going to be targeted based on their genetics in all sorts of ways. Take it to its logical end point and it is like nazi's generating the super race.

Can people really sit here and say they trust the government and corporations and the wealthy to look after the publics interests

Originally Posted by Ammi

…it feels very much like a ‘Big Brother’ type thing and it would be lovely to think that it’s all for good reasons and for the good of the people etc…but recent governments sadly have a leaning to act in their own interest/…not the interest of the people…more and more their actions are feeling like ‘control’ rather than care…it should feel quite positive bu it doesn’t for me, it feels quite scary…

Originally Posted by arista

"it feels quite scary…"


Of course Ammi
it has the power of life or death.

Far from me pearl clutching while everyone sides with you as you seem to think is the case, I'm actually the one talking commone sense and as you can see people are agreeing with me. Not you.