[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

You are just piling myths on top of each other now.

Belts did not stop because of some posh MP having a tantrum. They stopped because hitting kids is cruel, lazy, and does not work. That is why every serious system dropped it.

The idea that everything was fine before that is fantasy. Violence existed. Abuse existed. It was just hidden better and kids were too scared to speak.

What changed is not discipline. What changed is support disappearing. Fewer staff. Bigger classes. No specialist provision. No backup when things go wrong. That is where the problem is.

And then you slide back to blaming migrants. Again. With no data. Just resentment. Saying those people does not make it analysis. It makes it obvious.

If migrants were the cause, the stats would clearly show it. They don’t. You just like the story because it lets you avoid harder answers.

We are specifically talking about the upsurge in violence in primary schools. Remember that.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Parmy

We are specifically talking about the upsurge in violence in primary schools. Remember that.

Yes. Primary schools. Still the same answer.

Kids act out when support collapses around them.

Bigger classes. Fewer staff. No specialists. No early intervention. Teachers left to manage chaos alone.

You keep circling back to migrants because you do not want to deal with the boring truth. Systems failed. Not kids.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Yes. Primary schools. Still the same answer.

Kids act out when support collapses around them.

Bigger classes. Fewer staff. No specialists. No early intervention. Teachers left to manage chaos alone.

You keep circling back to migrants because you do not want to deal with the boring truth. Systems failed. Not kids.

I asked you a specific question. Your answer was better this, better that. The same tired out shite we've had since the belt was stopped. So your plan has got us to where we are now. The plan of bring them all, they are all in need. What can go wrong. This is Britain after all.


Surely this won't cause violence to teachers in primary school from weapons

Your answer to my specific question was shite, proven to not work, and now outdated because of where we are now with primary school teachers (scared if the violence is to much) or unable to respond to the violence (because the political backlash is to much)



Have a word with yourself mate, before claiming someone's opinion is outdated.

[Parmy]

Bigger classes, oooo, I wonder why...


**** sake. Have a word.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Parmy

I asked you a specific question. Your answer was better this, better that. The same tired out shite we've had since the belt was stopped. So your plan has got us to where we are now. The plan of bring them all, they are all in need. What can go wrong. This is Britain after all.


Surely this won't cause violence to teachers in primary school from weapons

Your answer to my specific question was shite, proven to not work, and now outdated because of where we are now with primary school teachers (scared if the violence is to much) or unable to respond to the violence (because the political backlash is to much)

You asked a specific question and did not like the answer because it does not involve hurting children or blaming foreigners. That is not my problem.

Calling support, staffing, and consequences tired shite does not magically make belts work. Violence was tried. For years. It failed. That. Is. Why. It. Was. Dropped

Teachers are scared because they have no backing, not because they are desperate to hit six year olds and cannot. That is a fantasy you keep repeating.

And the migrant rant again. Predictable. Boring. Every time your argument collapses, you reach for the same excuse.

Have a word with yourself. You are not offering solutions. The only one you have offered was pulled apart by yourself.

[Parmy]

I've experienced and lived through in life experiences, both forms of punishment.


you wernt even a thought when the belt was around.


Just shut up about something you've never experienced. You wouldnt know if the belt actually stopped further problems or not.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Parmy

I've experienced both forms of punishment.


you wernt even a thought when the belt was around.


Just shut up about something you've never experienced.

That is not the flex you think it is.

Being older does not make you right. It just means you have had more time to cling to bad ideas.

I do not need to be alive in the belt era to know hitting children is wrong. That is basic reasoning. Basic.

So no. I will not shut up. And pulling the age card is just you running out of anything useful to say.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

That is not the flex you think it is.

Being older does not make you right. It just means you have had more time to cling to bad ideas.

So no. I will not shut up. And pulling the age card is just you running out of anything useful to say.

Sums up why the world is so ****ed up right now.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Parmy

Sums up why the world is so ****ed up right now.

The world is not messed up because people stopped hitting kids. It is messed up because some adults refuse to learn, adapt, or take responsibility and instead romanticise violence.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

The world is not messed up because people stopped hitting kids. It is messed up because some adults refuse to learn, adapt, or take responsibility and instead romanticise violence.

Yeah...every one who works at rockstar.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Parmy

Yeah...every one who works at rockstar.

So far you have blamed.

Teachers for not hitting kids.
Kids for being kids.
Parents for being soft.
Migrants. Repeatedly.
Video games.
A video game company.
Posh MPs.
Political correctness.
People younger than you.
The world changing.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

So far you have blamed.

Teachers for not hitting kids.
Kids for being kids.
Parents for being soft.
Migrants. Repeatedly.
Video games.
A video game company.
Posh MPs.
Political correctness.
People younger than you.
The world changing.

And you've blamed none of them.....who's the fool now!

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Parmy

And you've blamed none of them.....who's the fool now!

I did not blame them because blame is not a solution. That is the difference you keep missing.

I talked about causes. Funding. Staffing. Support. Systems. Stuff that actually fixes things.

You just made a bingo card of enemies and called it thinking.

So no. The fool is still the guy pointing everywhere except at reality.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

I did not blame them because blame is not a solution. That is the difference you keep missing.

I talked about causes. Funding. Staffing. Support. Systems. Stuff that actually fixes things.

You just made a bingo card of enemies and called it thinking.



How much longer do we have to keep talking about all those things until it starts changing back to how it was before we started talking about those things. Cause atm, since I was at primary school things have gotten far more seriously worse.
So no. The fool is still the guy pointing everywhere except at reality.

How much longer do we have to keep talking about all those things until it starts changing back to how it was before we started talking about those things. Cause atm, since I was at primary school things have gotten far more seriously worse.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Parmy

How much longer do we have to keep talking about all those things until it starts changing back to how it was before we started talking about those things. Cause atm, since I was at primary school things have gotten far more seriously worse.

It is never going back to how it was. That is the bit you refuse to accept.

You can talk about belts forever. They are not coming back because they failed. Quiet kids were not fixed kids. They were scared kids.

Things got worse because support was stripped out and nothing replaced it properly. Talking about that is not the problem. Ignoring it is.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Alf

You look at pretty much any animal behaviour and the parent will always give their youngster a slap if it steps too far (but it would still die for its children). Most animals know that it's a natural method in teaching discipline. But the human animals have radicals that think they know better.

Many animals also eat their own children when stressed. Should we start doing that?

Humans generally have higher cognitive reasoning abilities than animals.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Parmy

I know it doesn't work for 73 percent of people in therapy.

Infact 58 percent of suicides are done by people in therapy

Please can you provide a source for those?

I think you're probably confusing correlation with causation. For the most part, suicide is a result of a mental health condition. Many people seeking therapy will be doing so because of a mental health condition. It's been shown many people who commit suicide have reached out to a healthcare professional in the year leading up to the death, but that doesn't mean they received treatment, or that the treatment caused it.

It's a bit like suggesting Shell are responsible for car crashes because most people visited their petrol station in the weeks leading up to their crash. Most people who are in a car crash have a car, and those who have a car need petrol.

Moving on from that, a study by the American Psychological Association shows that on average people who engage in therapy are better off by the end of the treatment than 80% of those who do not receive treatment.

A major study from the Lancet Psychiatry tracked people who had attempted suicide and compared those who went on to have therapy to those who didn't. There were 26% fewer suicides in the group who went on to receive therapy.

In one clinical study on CBT, there was a 26% percentage-point drop in suicidal thoughts post-treatment.

But of course we're not talking about suicide, we're talking about parents hitting children and that it's often down to lack of emotional intelligence and ability to punish in a more reasoned way. Parent-Child Interaction Therapy has shown to reduce a child's behavioural problems, increase positive interactions between parent and child and decrease a parents stress. Lower stress levels are directly associated with higher emotional intelligence.

I think if you're a parent and your go-to is to hit your child as punishment or to incite a fear of future repercussions to bad behaviour, you're missing a level of emotional intelligence that needs to be worked on. It shows a lack of emotional regulation and low impulse control and the adult should seek assistance and work to fix that part of them. You don't need to be parent to understand this, it's basic human behaviour and psychology.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

You look at pretty much any animal behaviour and the parent will always give their youngster a slap if it steps too far (but it would still die for its children). Most animals know that it's a natural method in teaching discipline. But the human animals have radicals that think they know better.

The mama bear should take away the cubs play station for a week instead

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Livia

It begins at home. My kids aren't little angels, they push it like all kids. But there are consequences, always. Some of these children have no boundaries and that's down to the parents. No one should go to work and expect to be assaulted, least of all teachers.

I agree with you. I'm not saying that kids can't be a little rebellious either as it shows character in the child, and it can be fun for the child if they think that they're going to get away with something "a little naughty.”

Sadly though we've got some kids thinking that it's okay to physically attack the Teachers, which was becoming an increasing problem by the time I was leaving Primary School, let alone Secondary.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Adults hitting children as punishment is for the emotionally stunted.

Petition for everyone to get some therapy at some point in their life.

Tbh, that would be a last resort for me.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbh, that would be a last resort for me.

I was wrong to say that really, as therapy isn’t right for everyone. I think everyone should at least try if they’re able to but it doesn’t mean it’s going to suit them.

But if you’re a parent and your instinct is to smack your child then you should probably seek some professional help.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I was wrong to say that really, as therapy isn’t right for everyone. I think everyone should at least try if they’re able to but it doesn’t mean it’s going to suit them.

But if you’re a parent and your instinct is to smack your child then you should probably seek some professional help.

Don't worry about it, I know that you were just getting a bit worked up in the moment, I'm very much like that sometimes myself.

And I do agree with your last point, because if the parent is getting regularly physically abusive towards their own child, then I do believe that there's something there that might need some Therapy.

It also would depend on how physical the parent has been in the situation for me, like is it just a light spanking, or is it the child getting caned? Because the latter will be traumatic to a lot of children I would imagine.

[BBXX]

If this discussion was about two grown adults arguing and one of them hit the other as a way to get their point across, most people would be - quite rightly - telling them to leave that partner.

This conversation is about an adult and a child, who is dependant on said adult, and the arguments are "well it depends how hard" or "it will stop them misbehaving again"

[Zizu]

Well back in my day we were caned across your hand or fingers or you got a slipper across the backside for bad behaviour and whacked across the head or back with thick books if you weren’t concentrating ..

Now I was a model pupil and I still managed to get caned on two separate occasions and hit by books ..

They even threw wooden board dusters across the room at us ..


Thing is it worked .. the behaviour was always impeccable .. I went to a grammar school but I assume things were the same in the other secondary schools


The poor // disruptive behaviour we see across the board nowadays were just not a thing in the bad old days

[Glenn.]

If disruptive behaviour did not exist, why were kids being caned?