[Crimson Dynamo]

"As well as providing a visual cue to a Muslim community, the main function of the minaret is to provide a vantage point from which the call to prayer (adhan) is made."


I think the issue is to do with the height and the dominance in the skyline. The aim in Islamic countries is to be the tallest and most dominant thing on the skyline as it is the most important.

We have this with Churches in the UK, or used to.

I can get the problem with this.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"As well as providing a visual cue to a Muslim community, the main function of the minaret is to provide a vantage point from which the call to prayer (adhan) is made."


I think the issue is to do with the height and the dominance in the skyline. The aim in Islamic countries is to be the tallest and most dominant thing on the skyline as it is the most important.

We have this with Churches in the UK, or used to.

I can get the problem with this.

In the end - it is about control! None of the above surprises me at all! All the more reason not to allow it!

[Crimson Dynamo]

If MacDonald's tried it, well can you imagine?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

OK, . WHat in the hell is Europe coming to!

asia and africa

[arista]

Originally Posted by setanta

No 90 Mosques so I don't know why you're getting your knickers in a twist over minarets when they're obviously not crucial to the general look of these places of worship.

Yes they have Plenty of places to go.


It ain't a Strict Muslim Nation
and does not need any more Spikes.


This is Democracy at work.

Well Done the Swiss

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Stu

Only three? Christ. Unless all the Mosques with Minarets were somehow loaded onto the back of trucks and parked directly outside your hotel window or home in Switzerland - where they would be left parked overnight with Arabic music blaring from soundspeakers mounted onto the back of Camels being manned by Quran touting extremists brandishing scimitars, I really fail to see how it gives the impression that Switzerland is a Muslim country without an identity of it's own.

Again, some people are very, very bored. Mountains out of fucking molehills.

You fail to see the bigger picture - and the long-term effect - what it will lead to! The point is that they don't want more than 3/4 mosques with minarets in their country. A ban doesn't effect the ones already there - they just don't want any more!

You may not give a damn about the Swiss skyline and/or culture but a lot of Swiss people do! And many here can understand that.

[arista]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

You fail to see the bigger picture - and the long-term effect - what it will lead to! The point is that they don't want more than 3/4 mosques with minarets in their country. A ban doesn't effect the ones already there - they just don't want any more!

You may not give a damn about the Swiss skyline and/or culture but a lot of Swiss people do! And many here can understand that.

Yes the Swiss Skyline is more Important
than any Spike.




It was clever to get a Public Vote
if only we could get Voting like that here.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes the Swiss Skyline is more Important
than any Spike.




It was clever to get a Public Vote
if only we could get Voting like that here.

politicians fear the public vote

[arista]

New Labour fear Public Votes
Very True.

[andyman]

The Conservaties also fear the public vote..

[Stu]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

You fail to see the bigger picture - and the long-term effect - what it will lead to! The point is that they don't want more than 3/4 mosques with minarets in their country. A ban doesn't effect the ones already there - they just don't want any more!

You may not give a damn about the Swiss skyline and/or culture but a lot of Swiss people do! And many here can understand that.

Multiply then, for ***** and giggles. 10 Minarets dotting the country. Would it dominate the skyline? I think not. I think your missing the bigger picture. Switzerland has a pretty big skyline. The country as a whole believe it or not is bigger than your backyard.

Perhaps height restrictions on the minarets could be put in place so they could still have them but not so dominant. Meet them halfway. Sounds fair to me.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Stu

Multiply then, for ***** and giggles. 10 Minarets dotting the country. Would it dominate the skyline? I think not. I think your missing the bigger picture. Switzerland has a pretty big skyline. The country as a whole believe it or not is bigger than your backyard.

Perhaps height restrictions on the minarets could be put in place so they could still have them but not so dominant. Meet them halfway. Sounds fair to me.

pointless. the whole idea of them IS to dominate the skyline.

every country has architectural restrictions to maintain cultural identity. this perhaps is a reaction, however, to the complete lack of compromise from the Muslim community.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

pointless. the whole idea of them IS to dominate the skyline.

every country has architectural restrictions to maintain cultural identity. this perhaps is a reaction, however, to the complete lack of compromise from the Muslim community.

The compromise being to lower the height. I know in Muslim countries the point is to dominate the skyline but like you said, It's not a Muslim country.

We can't speak for all the Muslim's here, but I think many of the more tolerant ones, and yes - such a thing exists, might like the compromise of maintaining the complete architecture of a traditional mosque only with lower Minarets.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Stu

Multiply then, for ***** and giggles. 10 Minarets dotting the country. Would it dominate the skyline? I think not. I think your missing the bigger picture. Switzerland has a pretty big skyline. The country as a whole believe it or not is bigger than your backyard.

Perhaps height restrictions on the minarets could be put in place so they could still have them but not so dominant. Meet them halfway. Sounds fair to me.

I think the point is - the West have met them more than half-way on many occasions - which is probably why so many feel that it is about time they were prepared to make more concessions.

[Crimson Dynamo]

They accused her of not being a proper Muslim and supporting the deaths of civilians in Afghanistan

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0YS3FsESI

II won't condemn these people. It shows the frustration of Muslim youths in Luton,' he said.

'Baroness Warsi needs to be exposed. She is somebody who pretends to be a practising Muslim but from her views and statements she is clearly against Sharia.'

[InOne]

Is this meant to be a new thread LT?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by InOne

Is this meant to be a new thread LT?

no, just part of this. It links in to the way Islam is PR'd in the world

ie badly

[InOne]

Well it is stupid really. I quite liked this comment on the link.

They accused her of not being a proper Muslim and supporting the deaths of civilians in Afghanistan. They are the people who also protest against our soldiers.
When are we going to wake up. These people are no more British than their relatives still living in Pakistan. They hate everything about this country, other than the benefits they get here.

- Peter, Bournemouth, 01/12/2009 10:38

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by InOne

Well it is stupid really. I quite liked this comment on the link.

They accused her of not being a proper Muslim and supporting the deaths of civilians in Afghanistan. They are the people who also protest against our soldiers.
When are we going to wake up. These people are no more British than their relatives still living in Pakistan. They hate everything about this country, other than the benefits they get here.

- Peter, Bournemouth, 01/12/2009 10:38

Yes, it would certainly seem that way

[InOne]

It is that way. People are just too PC to admit it

[InOne]

More sensible talk.

Will you all stop going about this multiculturalism.There is no such thing.The point multiculturalism is that it is a unicultural phenomenon.You can't go to saudi Arabia and be mulitcultural, for example.There is nothing to celebrate with regards diversity-believing in everything is the same thing as believing in nothing.This is the UK and all people should abide by their laws.We don't want mass immigration, we don't need it and we never asked for it.

- tim wookey, Bristol, 1/12/2009 10:04

[Niamh.]

http://www.pewsitter.com/view_news_id_7306.php

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

http://www.pewsitter.com/view_news_id_7306.php

Typical, but build as many Mosque's as you want over here why don't you!!!!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by InOne

Typical, but build as many Mosque's as you want over here why don't you!!!!

well, yeah. I mean I don't want to be accused of being racist or anything but there does seem to be an enormous set of double standards going on!

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

well, yeah. I mean I don't want to be accused of being racist or anything but there does seem to be an enormous set of double standards going on!

Good job Wildcat or Netto are not here.

It is always double standards with Islam, always will be. It is a milital forceful Religion that lives in the dark ages. Europe for some reason bows down to it. It is good that things like EDL is about really, althogh they get labelled as racists too. When things like that happen it is no wonder people vote BNP.