[?]

The highpoint was 6.7, lmfao.

[Gavin]

Gotta admit it's way more than what Channel 4 usually get. I'm loving the fact that they're axing their biggest rated show .

It means the channel will really struggle from 2011 .

[DigitalSid]

Originally Posted by Gavin

Well, BARB don't even add them up. They keep the two ratings separate. Look at their website.

I don't know why you guys are adding the ratings up together?! There'll be some people who watched the show twice. And the BBC don't add ratings up, nor do ITV.

The BBC don't have time-shift channels.

[newshoes]

Originally Posted by Gavin

At the end of the day, forget about me... it's the national press who are saying this year's show is crap.

you make a good point about the missing live feed but ratings figures can be manipulated any way you want.i can't take that daily mail headline seriously at all.

[rm212]

Originally Posted by Gavin

Well, BARB don't even add them up. They keep the two ratings separate. Look at their website.

I don't know why you guys are adding the ratings up together?! There'll be some people who watched the show twice. And the BBC don't add ratings up, nor do ITV.

And in some houses there will be multiple viewers watching the one tv

[Gavin]

Originally Posted by DigitalSid

The BBC don't have time-shift channels.

The BBC could add the HD ratings to their BBC1 ratings but they never do it.

Your time-shift theory is bullshit anyway. Timeshift is only added if it's viewed on the same Channel. C4 and C4+1 are DIFFERENT channels, so BARB don't add those ratings together. They have separate columns for the channels on the website!

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by President

Gavin - on the front page of the Sun today, it's actually saying that it's the BEST CBB YET!

Really?

[President]

Originally Posted by Patrick

Really?

Yep, just seen it when they were showing the newspapers on Sky News. Front page.

[DigitalSid]

Originally Posted by Patrick

Really?

[DigitalSid]

Originally Posted by Gavin

The BBC could add the HD ratings to their BBC1 ratings but they never do it.

- They could, but that's a different thing and doesn't make doing so incorrect

Your time-shift theory is bullshit anyway. Timeshift is only added if it's viewed on the same Channel. C4 and C4+1 are DIFFERENT channels, so BARB don't add those ratings together. They have separate columns for the channels on the website!

- They used to, stopped I believe when they had a redesign. Again, still not incorrect.

[Gavin]

Originally Posted by DigitalSid

This is the definition of timeshift viewing according to BARB:

Timeshift Audience
The playback audience to a video or PVR/DVDR recording of a minute, commercial, daypart or programme. The recording must be played back within 7 days of the original transmission to be counted by BARB.

Timeshift audiences are people who watch a show via video or PVRs.

A channel like C4+1 is not considered as timeshift viewing as the content shown on there is 'as live'. BARB do not consider it as timeshift viewing, that's why its rating isn't combined with C4's.

The BBC don't add up EastEnders' BBC1 rating to BBC3. You're just doing it to make CBB look better than it actually is.

[DigitalSid]

Originally Posted by Gavin

This is the definition of timeshift viewing according to BARB:

Timeshift audiences are people who watch a show via video or PVRs.

A channel like C4+1 is not considered as timeshift viewing as the content shown on there is 'as live'. BARB do not consider it as timeshift viewing, that's why its rating isn't combined with C4's.

- Tis in the officials

The BBC don't add up EastEnders' BBC1 rating to BBC3. You're just doing it to make CBB look better than it actually is.

- BBC 3 isn't a +1 channel and that doesn't make it incorrect.

[andyman]

Do you enjoy the show Gavin?

[Gavin]

Originally Posted by DigitalSid

- BBC 3 isn't a +1 channel and doesn't make it incorrect.

Originally Posted by DigitalSid

It does, it's called a timeshift channel, again google it .

It's called a timeshift channel, but the term 'timeshift' isn't used properly. It's not for organisational purposes that BARB don't add them together. It's because there's no proper way of knowing if that audience who watched on +1 have watched the show before or not.

With timeshift recording viewing, BARB can detect if a person has already watched the programme previously and eliminate them from the data which contributes to the rating.

ITV does not add its +1 ratings to the main channel ratings. Here, straight from ITV's website: http://www.itvmedia.co.uk/itv-platfo...iewing-figures

Midsomer Murders achieved 1.1 million viewers and a 5.2% share, attracting an additional 83,000 viewers on the +1 channel (03 Jan)

And http://www.itvmedia.co.uk/itv-platfo...iewing-figures :

Movie Wild, Wild, West attracted 544,000 viewers and a 2.5% share, and an extra 108,000 on ITV2+1 (02 Jan)

Movie Scooby-Doo attracted an average audience of 679,000 viewers and a 2.9% share, with an additional 130,000 watching on the +1 channel (03 Jan)

They don't add the ratings together. They're reported separate and that's the convention. The ratings shouldn't be added together, as it technically is not 'timeshift' viewing according to BARB's definitions.

Just because you're a fan of BB doesn't mean that you should be adding all these audiences together to make the show look better than it actually is. The convention is to not add the ratings together.

So stop making BB look better than it is, Hook Nose and all those producers have ensured that this series is awful unfortunately. And the media agree with my views.

[Gavin]

Originally Posted by andyman

Do you enjoy the show Gavin?

Not really. I thought the first task was pointless and awful. It completely ruined the launch which was ok before that.

Tonight's show was boring, and concentrated too much on what we had already seen. We didn't get to see Stephen enough who clearly is the best housemate in there.

The second task revealed on the website is a copy of the crap task in BB10. The series is themed as Hell Lies in Others, yet we're getting these silly costume tasks instead of good, evil, endurance tasks.

Very disappointing so far.

[andyman]

Still early days with CBB7..

Some people want too much from the show when the BB format is to watch people in a house at anytime, which has gone..

If people find it boring then BB aint for them, the early BB's had none of the ott bs many lust for.. Those that hate are the real cancer of the show.

[Gavin]

Did I say I found the show "boring"? No. It's not been boring, it's been more watchable than BB10 and CBB6.

But I've been very disappointed by lack of ideas so far this series in terms of task/twists. Early days though, so that's why I'll continue watching.

[DigitalSid]

Originally Posted by Gavin

It's called a timeshift channel, but the term 'timeshift' isn't used properly. It's not for organisational purposes that BARB don't add them together. It's because there's no proper way of knowing if that audience who watched on +1 have watched the show before or not.

With timeshift recording viewing, BARB can detect if a person has already watched the programme previously and eliminate them from the data which contributes to the rating.

ITV does not add its +1 ratings to the main channel ratings. Here, straight from ITV's website: http://www.itvmedia.co.uk/itv-platfo...iewing-figures



And http://www.itvmedia.co.uk/itv-platfo...iewing-figures :

They don't add the ratings together. They're reported separate and that's the convention. The ratings shouldn't be added together, as it technically is not 'timeshift' viewing according to BARB's definitions.

Just because you're a fan of BB doesn't mean that you should be adding all these audiences together to make the show look better than it actually is. The convention is to not add the ratings together.

So stop making BB look better than it is, Hook Nose and all those producers have ensured that this series is awful unfortunately. And the media agree with my views.

I'm not going to repeat myself .

Fact is, whether conventional to add the two or not, it is not incorrect to do so, it is however to disclude them completely, ala the Mail .

[Gavin]

Originally Posted by DigitalSid

I'm not going to repeat myself .

Fact is, whether conventional to add the two or not, it is not incorrect to do so, it is however to disclude them completely, ala the Mail .

Digital Spy didn't mention +1 in their reports. Are you saying they're incorrect as well??

Fact is: most people and sources don't add ratings together like that. Channel 4 probably does it to make their shows look more popular to advertisers than they really are.

Most unbiased sources don't add the ratings, and many don't even mention +1 because it's usually so insignificant.

I can't help but think if there was any other Channel 4 show that The Mail did an article like this about, you wouldn't be arguing at such length about +1 audiences. You're only doing it because you want BB to look better than it really is.

By the way I LOLed at your PMs to me as your recent comments turned out completely wrong

[andyman]

Originally Posted by Gavin

Did I say I found the show "boring"? No. It's not been boring, it's been more watchable than BB10 and CBB6.

But I've been very disappointed by lack of ideas so far this series in terms of task/twists. Early days though, so that's why I'll continue watching.

I understand what you mean, but for me I dislike too many tasks.. I enjoyed the early BB's before it became a freak show, BB3 still a fans fave.

Best to sit back and enjoy the series while it lasts..

[DigitalSid]

Originally Posted by Gavin

Digital Spy didn't mention +1 in their reports. Are you saying they're incorrect as well??

- Because they weren't available when yesterday's article was written

Fact is: most people and sources don't add ratings together like that. Channel 4 probably does it to make their shows look more popular to advertisers than they really are.

- But they do, if availabile, report them.

Most unbiased sources don't add the ratings, and many don't even mention +1 because it's usually so insignificant.

- No source is unbiased and 406,000 is not insignificant

I can't help but think if there was any other Channel 4 show that The Mail did an article like this about, you wouldn't be arguing at such length about +1 audiences. You're only doing it because you want BB to look better than it really is.

- Depends if it interested me.

[Gavin]

- They weren't available when they wrote yesterday's article

Nonsense. The ratings were available for all channels from 9:30am (like always), and they could have included the rating in there but didn't. Look at all their other articles, which were written days after the ratings were released, and none of them mention +1.

- But they do, if availabile , report them.

As noted above, they are available from their data service Attentional. But they choose not to use them.

- No source is unbiased and 406,100 is not insignificant

Less biased than Channel 4. And if you read my post I said "usually". 406,100 - like I said in my PM - will have viewers who are watchign again. So that's why it's unreliable to add the rating onto the main channel rating.

[DigitalSid]

Originally Posted by gavin

nonsense. The ratings were available for all channels from 9:30am (like always), and they could have included the rating in there but didn't. Look at all their other articles, which were written days after the ratings were released, and none of them mention +1.

as noted above, they are available from their data service attentional. But they choose not to use them.

- fair point. What i meant was they hadn't been reported, i don't usually source ratings from d.s. So assumed like their news, it was scraped from the press. Regardless though of whether they did today or not, they do usually report +1:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/news/...i-footage.html

less biased than channel 4. And if you read my post i said "usually". 406,100 - like i said in my pm - will have viewers who are watchign again. So that's why it's unreliable to add the rating onto the main channel rating.

- reliable enough for barb:
http://web.archive.org/web/200802220...esttimeout=500

[farhad]

put nikki back in then you will see how the ratings would be like.Seriously the show went downhill since BB7 and Nikki, please producers put the Queen of BB back to where she belongs. We need to do a petition for this.

[DigitalSid]

Originally Posted by farhad

put nikki back in then you will see how the ratings would be like.Seriously the show went downhill since BB7 and Nikki, please producers put the Queen of BB back to where she belongs. We need to do a petition for this.

Thrice is more than enough.