[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Scare irresponsible people shitless!

Graphic details of girls having backstreet abortions,

Show the worst cases of sexually transmitted diseases.

Show them being forced out of their leisurely lifestyles and the harsh realities of parenthood.

The boy looking at the pittance he earns on his wage slip and remembering the court ordering to pay maintenance.

The girl feeling guilty after her abortion.

I'm all for education on the harsh realities of abortion and parenthood for males and females - but forcing women either into or out of abortions is not the answer in my book! For too long sex education has been geared more towards girls, and although it is better than it used to be - still far too many boys/men think they don't have to be careful or take any responsibility because they don't get pregnant - it is about time they realised that the girls aren't the only ones that are responsible and not the only ones that should pay a hefty price!

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

I'm all for education on the harsh realities of abortion and parenthood for males and females - but forcing women either into or out of abortions is not the answer in my book!

Dont women generally force themselves into abortions by not caring about the life they have created, the fact it will interfere with their careers etc, and by not having the common sense to ensure they dont get pregnant?

But once again you have completely missed the point in that post, the idea is to scare them by using graphic images of what happens when adequate care over contraception and sex isnt taken.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Dont women generally force themselves into abortions by not caring about the life they have created, the fact it will interfere with their careers etc, and by not having the common sense to ensure they dont get pregnant?

But once again you have completely missed the point in that post, the idea is to scare them by using graphic images of what happens when adequate care over contraception and sex isnt taken.

Is ensuring they don't get pregnant then just up to the women, in your book - nothing to do with the men! A lack of common sense on both sides I would say!

I agree with most of the second paragraph! But what happens if the scare tactics don't work?

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Is ensuring they don't get pregnant then just up to the women, in your book - nothing to do with the men! A lack of common sense on both sides I would say!

I agree with most of the second paragraph! But what happens if the scare tactics don't work?

Whilst it is true that contraception is a dual responsibility, going by the track record of men would you say that little miss average should rely on the man being responsible, or until she is sure she can trust the man to have more than just 'a quick shag sod the outcome' attitude should she not take responsibility for her own body?

Yes a common sense attitude on both sides would mean women would insist on the man using condoms even if she was herself taking some precaustions, just like a man would insist on using a condom even if the woman stated she was on the pill/had a coil fitted, etc. If nothing else it would cut down on the incidences of STD's and also pregnancies as a result of contraceptive failures.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by cupid stunt

nah nah your chattin **** women can take the pill, speakin from a lads point of view sex feels 10 times better without a jonny so why cant birds just all go on the pill?

absolutely fine as long as you're aware that by doing that you're taking a chance and may end up paying child support, that's a chance you take by not wearing one

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by cupid stunt

nah nah your chattin **** women can take the pill, speakin from a lads point of view sex feels 10 times better without a jonny so why cant birds just all go on the pill?

Some people should legally be forced to have the chop!

[Saralouleelaa]

yeah i understand that, which i did forget to mention in all honesty, My sister had to have one due to both the fact she would have died carrying another child and that fact her and her partner hadnt got enough money for another child what im saying is the people who use it as another form of contraception like my friend who had an an abortion, which i kinda understood because of her situation she would have been homeless and etc, but its the stupidest excuse she used.. 'Well i thought i was infertile because i hadnt got pregnant for 5 months' (people can try for years without be infertile and not conceive straight away.. But then after the abortion maybe 2-3 weeks later she said i think im pregnant again.. Thats the thing im on about i dont think it should be used as a contraception, that is wrong.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Saralouleelaa

yeah i understand that, which i did forget to mention in all honesty, My sister had to have one due to both the fact she would have died carrying another child and that fact her and her partner hadnt got enough money for another child what im saying is the people who use it as another form of contraception like my friend who had an an abortion, which i kinda understood because of her situation she would have been homeless and etc, but its the stupidest excuse she used.. 'Well i thought i was infertile because i hadnt got pregnant for 5 months' (people can try for years without be infertile and not conceive straight away.. But then after the abortion maybe 2-3 weeks later she said i think im pregnant again.. Thats the thing im on about i dont think it should be used as a contraception, that is wrong.

I was referring to the irresponsible attitude of that particular male member - who believes that he as a man has no responsibiltiy to use contraception and protect himself from unwanted fatherhood - and thinks that it is all down to the woman!

[Saralouleelaa]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

I was referring to the irresponsible attitude of that particular male member - who believes that he as a man has no responsibiltiy to use contraception and protect himself from unwanted fatherhood - and thinks that it is all down to the woman!

no i understand that i agrre with what you said their i was replying to the post above

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Saralouleelaa

yeah i understand that, which i did forget to mention in all honesty, My sister had to have one due to both the fact she would have died carrying another child and that fact her and her partner hadnt got enough money for another child what im saying is the people who use it as another form of contraception like my friend who had an an abortion, which i kinda understood because of her situation she would have been homeless and etc, but its the stupidest excuse she used.. 'Well i thought i was infertile because i hadnt got pregnant for 5 months' (people can try for years without be infertile and not conceive straight away.. But then after the abortion maybe 2-3 weeks later she said i think im pregnant again.. Thats the thing im on about i dont think it should be used as a contraception, that is wrong.

fair enough, I agree abortion should never be used willy nilly but I won't judge somebody who does have an abortion sicne it's likely to be a difficult decision to most people.

[Saralouleelaa]

yeah i know it really is.. as much as my sister needed to do it she didnt want to, but she had to so she did. But my friend didnt even bat and eyelid, the worst thing she said was after she found out what options she had (she was six weeks) 'im gonna wait till im 7 weeks so i can have the vacum one so it doesnt hurt me' Now thats what upset me.