[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

I spotted in bed on hls ,it was HER doing all the cooing ,and fondling ,you can see from his body language JJ does not fancy her ,he is not close to anyone really in there and he clings to her as his best mate,nothing else

yep and if he pushed her away or told to stop he'd be the worst in the world, he's stuck between a rock and hard place atm.

[ange7]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

You know what annoys me about this, is JJ is already being accused by people of leading Josie on when he's clearly aware of that fact and is worried about it where as it's all just a bit of a joke the way Josie behaves with Andrew when he clearly fancies her, She is leading him on far more than JJ is leading Josie on.

Yeah agree...Those claims are crazy. He's told her at least 3 times he sees her as a sister and has told others that he doesn't see her that way. Josie knows exactly where she stands. This all "leading her on" rubbish popped up when JJ in the DR said "I don't want to appear as though I am". Some latched onto that and ignored the fact that JJ HAS told her loads of times that he ain't into her...."that way".

[fruit_cake]

if he doesn't like her he should keep his distance...but she deserves everything that comes to her

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by ange7

Yeah agree...Those claims are crazy. He's told her at least 3 times he sees her as a sister and has told others that he doesn't see her that way. Josie knows exactly where she stands. This all "leading her on" rubbish popped up when JJ in the DR said "I don't want to appear as though I am". Some latched onto that and ignored the fact that JJ HAS told her loads of times that he ain't into her...."that way".

Yes and the fact that he's actually worried about and aware that he could be doing it, to me proves that he is not leading her on at all. Josie thinking that she's not doing anything wrong with Andrew is far worse imo.

[rapunza1977]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Do you think hes a "man of the world" no he isnt ,hes young,shy,geeky and vulnerable ,shes using him to try to get to JJ

I think you are underestimating him and insulting him to be honest.

I am sure he could wipe the floor with any of us.

Not a fan of josie but I do not believe for one minute Andrew believes she is interested and I think we should actually give Andrew more credit.

A geek? Vulnerable? If he was so vulnerable believe me he would not be on a show like this.

[fruit_cake]

Andrew is just an object to Josie shes using him like a tin opener to open up JJ

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by rapunza1977

I think you are underestimating him and insulting him to be honest.

I am sure he could wipe the floor with any of us.

Not a fan of josie but I do not believe for one minute Andrew believes she is interested and I think we should actually give Andrew more credit.

A geek? Vulnerable? If he was so vulnerable believe me he would not be on a show like this.

you obviously didn't see LF when Caoimhe told him Josie liked JJ.. you could see his heart break in two!!

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by rapunza1977

I think you are underestimating him and insulting him to be honest.

I am sure he could wipe the floor with any of us.

Not a fan of josie but I do not believe for one minute Andrew believes she is interested and I think we should actually give Andrew more credit.

A geek? Vulnerable? If he was so vulnerable believe me he would not be on a show like this.

You may be right but the point I was trying to make about it is that she doesn't deserve any sympathy from anyone for JJ (allegedly) leading her on when she is doing the same (in fact worse imo) to Andrew.

[troy4783]

who guys are unbelievable they were just messing around and having a laugh how was she leading him on everything josie does people think she is up to something

[ange7]

Originally Posted by troy4783

who guys are unbelievable they were just messing around and having a laugh how was she leading him on everything josie does people think she is up to something

the first 3 or 4 times then yeah I'd agree with you that it was a laugh. But now she's kind of taking the p*ss out of andy. Josie is probably clueless that andy might be into her but that's Josie... she lacks empathy.

[watchinittoomuch]

I fail to see how Josie having a bit of banter with Andrew even equates to the same as , or worse, than JJ cuddling in to her, being really touchy feely with her, and constantly giving her mixed signals in terms of leading someone on?

REALLY?

So if you had 2 blokes around you, and one was having a laugh with you and saying stuff, and the other was cuddling you and stroking your hair etc, you'd think the one chatting to you was into you?

Bollerx.

[troy4783]

Originally Posted by ange7

the first 3 or 4 times then yeah I'd agree with you that it was a laugh. But now she's kind of taking the p*ss out of andy. Josie is probably clueless that andy might be into her but that's Josie... she lacks empathy.

i am sure if andrew had a problem with it he would say something to josie the other Hm or in the diary room also she has not taken the piss out of him that many times its banter most people do it with their friends

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by watchinittoomuch

I fail to see how Josie having a bit of banter with Andrew even equates to the same as , or worse, than JJ cuddling in to her, being really touchy feely with her, and constantly giving her mixed signals in terms of leading someone on?

REALLY?

So if you had 2 blokes around you, and one was having a laugh with you and saying stuff, and the other was cuddling you and stroking your hair etc, you'd think the one chatting to you was into you?

Bollerx.

It's only banter on Josies side imo though, I really do think that Andrew fancies her. This the problem I have with Josie in general, she does everything with a smile so it's just a "joke" she bitches while laughing so it's not really bitching, she flirts while laughing so it's not really flirting

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by troy4783

i am sure if andrew had a problem with it he would say something to josie the other Hm or in the diary room also she has not taken the piss out of him that many times its banter most people do it with their friends

I'm sure he doesn't have a problem with it, most people who are being led on don't.

[watchinittoomuch]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

It's only banter on Josies side imo though, I really do think that Andrew fancies her. This the problem I have with Josie in general, she does everything with a smile so it's just a "joke" she bitches while laughing so it's not really bitching, she flirts while laughing so it's not really flirting

I see what you're saying, but Josie really does fancy JJ too, so how is him being extremely close physically to her, and all the touching and cuddling, not worse?

[troy4783]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

I'm sure he doesn't have a problem with it, most people who are being led on don't.

how is she leading him on though

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by watchinittoomuch

I see what you're saying, but Josie really does fancy JJ too, so how is him being extremely close physically to her, and all the touching and cuddling, not worse?

Yeah you are right but JJ is fully aware of the fact the he could be leading her on and he doesn't know what to do, I think (imo of course) he is wrestling with the dilemma of which would be worse, to carry on the way they've always acted before he knew she fancied him or stop it and risk embarrassing her and making her feel awkward.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by troy4783

how is she leading him on though

eh by telling him he's better looking than JJ, by holding his hand etc

[watchinittoomuch]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Yeah you are right but JJ is fully aware of the fact the he could be leading her on and he doesn't know what to do, I think (imo of course) he is wrestling with the dilemma of which would be worse, to carry on the way they've always acted before he knew she fancied him or stop it and risk embarrassing her and making her feel awkward.

Well if he's fully aware of it and it STILL doing it, then it's far more dangerous.

If there is ever a conversation between Josie and Andrew, where Andrew tells her how he feels about her, and she STILL has this banter/flirtation with him, maybe then she'll be doing the same. Until then though, she's nowhere near giving him the wrong impression....it is plain to anyone in that house that Josie likes JJ, including Andrew, and JJ aswell.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by watchinittoomuch

Well if he's fully aware of it and it STILL doing it, then it's far more dangerous.

If there is ever a conversation between Josie and Andrew, where Andrew tells her how he feels about her, and she STILL has this banter/flirtation with him, maybe then she'll be doing the same. Until then though, she's nowhere near giving him the wrong impression....it is plain to anyone in that house that Josie likes JJ, including Andrew, and JJ aswell.

Well that depends on how you look at it I suppose. I mean I never saw what JJ was doing with Josie as flirting tbh he was acting close and friendly to her in much the same way Ben and Dave carry on with eachother. And it's Josie who acts more cosy with him. Yes he is aware that it could be seen as him leading her on now that she's told him she fancies him but, and I realize I am repeating myself here, he's trying to decide on which is worse, telling her to stop and really embarrassing her on national TV or just letting her carry on as they always have. Again It's all a matter of opinion but If I try to put myself in her shoes I think him telling me on TV in front of a whole nation to stop cuddling him would be worse.

[watchinittoomuch]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Well that depends on how you look at it I suppose. I mean I never saw what JJ was doing with Josie as flirting tbh he was acting close and friendly to her in much the same way Ben and Dave carry on with eachother. And it's Josie who acts more cosy with him. Yes he is aware that it could be seen as him leading her on now that she's told him she fancies him but, and I realize I am repeating myself here, he's trying to decide on which is worse, telling her to stop and really embarrassing her on national TV or just letting her carry on as they always have. Again It's all a matter of opinion but If I try to put myself in her shows I think him telling me on TV in front of a whole nation to stop cuddling him would be worse.

I felt the same until I saw the highlights last night, and the closeness and cuddling in the bed...proper arms wrapped around eachother in bed cuddling, not just one person squishing in...you just dont do that with 'mates' :/

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by watchinittoomuch

I felt the same until I saw the highlights last night, and the closeness and cuddling in the bed...proper arms wrapped around eachother in bed cuddling, not just one person squishing in...you just dont do that with 'mates' :/

I actually missed last nights Hls so I can't comment on it either way. And you may be right, but I still do believe he is in a very difficult situation.

[watchinittoomuch]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

I actually missed last nights Hls so I can't comment on it either way. And you may be right, but I still do believe he is in a very difficult situation.

Yeah I suppose he is...and I'm not sure he doesnt like her tbh, I just cant work it out.

[troy4783]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

eh by telling him he's better looking than JJ, by holding his hand etc

oh my gosh its banter and i dont think she even knows he fancies her

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by watchinittoomuch

Yeah I suppose he is...and I'm not sure he doesnt like her tbh, I just cant work it out.

I think he's bit confused actually, I think he probably doesn't but I'd imagine being in there and the HMs being the only people in the world for them atm can play tricks with your head and I think it's hard to know what you feel really