[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Livia

If Josie wasn't a big girl things would have been different. She would not have been the non-threatening girl who jokes around and puts herself down. More girls would have voted for her and she'd have probably been out. Of course, if she was skinnier, John James would have probably taken exception to her and treated her like he treated Rachael. And Rachel. And Sunshine... etc.

Are you forgetting Sophie Reade?

[Showstopper]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Are you forgetting Sophie Reade?

and Rachel from BB9

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Showstopper

and Rachel from BB9

Kate Lawler

[Omen]

Originally Posted by Showstopper

and Rachel from BB9

She was a heifer too.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Are you forgetting Sophie Reade?

What's your point?

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Livia

What's your point?

She was skinny , pretty and WON!

[Showstopper]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

She was skinny , pretty and WON!

100% correct

[Livia]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

She was skinny , pretty and WON!

We're not discussing Sophie, we're discussing Josie.

I'm not saying you can't be pretty, skinny and nice. I'm saying you can't tell how someone's character would change if their appearance was different. When people slim down from large to small, their confidence changes, their character changes; the same when they go from skinny to bigger... everything changes because the way people view you and the way people treat you changes. Josie wouldn't have to be the class clown for attention anymore.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Livia

We're not discussing Sophie, we're discussing Josie.

I'm not saying you can't be pretty, skinny and nice. I'm saying you can't tell how someone's character would change if their appearance was different. When people slim down from large to small, their confidence changes, their character changes; the same when they go from skinny to bigger... everything changes because the way people view you and the way people treat you changes. Josie wouldn't have to be the class clown for attention anymore.

Your saying you cant tell how she would be as a size 10 yet you stated that she wouldnt be the same person in another post.

Contradicting yourself much?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Your saying you cant tell how she would be as a size 10 yet you stated that she wouldnt be the same person in another post.

Contradicting yourself much?

Obviously no one can tell what someone will be like because nothing in life is black or white. We both know that. But I'm saying, having experienced people who have slimmed down and people who have bulked up, their character changes.

Deliberately being obtuse, much?

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Livia

Obviously no one can tell what someone will be like because nothing in life is black or white. We both know that. But I'm saying, having experienced people who have slimmed down and people who have bulked up, their character changes.

Deliberately being obtuse, much?

You said she WOULD change if she lost weight. And now your contradicting yourself by saying noone knows if she would change.

Also you said when i mentioned Sophie Reade that it wasnt relevant to the topic as we are talking about Josie not Sophie, and now your comparing Josie to someone else.

You are the definition of contradiction

[Showstopper]

Originally Posted by Livia

But I'm saying, having experienced people who have slimmed down and people who have bulked up, their character changes.

As have I, and to say some peoples character changes may well be accurate, but to say everyones character would change is a massive and inaccurate genralisation.

This stereotype of "physically unattractive people having to develop their personalities more then an attractive person as they cannot rely on their looks" is complete and utter nonsense and has no scientific backup behind it whatsoever

You cannot dismiss an argument as its based on an assumption and then make your own assumption to back up your own point