[Tom]

Originally Posted by NingleBells

No, I dont think that I could ever have an abortion and alot of downs syndrome children have a good quality of life

I think thats just a myth

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Tom

I think thats just a myth

what is? that downs syndrome kids can have a good quality of life? It completely depends on the severity of it but the way they are is their normality. I know plenty of downs syndrome people who are capable of doing plenty on their own and are very happy people.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by NingleBells

what is? that downs syndrome kids can have a good quality of life? It completely depends on the severity of it but the way they are is their normality. I know plenty of downs syndrome people who are capable of doing plenty on their own and are very happy people.

Thats true, as with lots of disabilities, people can still live a happy and fulfilling life within their restriction, whatever they are. But we are talking about people that 'are' as opposed to terminating a pregnancy. Imo there are so many thing to be factored in but it seems to be a pro/anti termination thing, regardless of whether it is a disabled child or not. Perhaps if the tests where not available and therefore the parents would not know until the child was born then they would (hopefully) cope and be the sort of parent the child needs - in an ideal world. I mean we all think we wouldn't be able to cope with lots of things, then they happen to us and we do cope. As I said before I spoke to someone who has a DS daughter and she didn't know beforehand so she had her daughter and is a brilliant parent - but had she known she would have terminated. This is a really interesting topic

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Tinseltoes

Thats true, as with lots of disabilities, people can still live a happy and fulfilling life within their restriction, whatever they are. But we are talking about people that 'are' as opposed to terminating a pregnancy. Imo there are so many thing to be factored in but it seems to be a pro/anti termination thing, regardless of whether it is a disabled child or not. Perhaps if the tests where not available and therefore the parents would not know until the child was born then they would (hopefully) cope and be the sort of parent the child needs - in an ideal world. I mean we all think we wouldn't be able to cope with lots of things, then they happen to us and we do cope. As I said before I spoke to someone who has a DS daughter and she didn't know beforehand so she had her daughter and is a brilliant parent - but had she known she would have terminated. This is a really interesting topic

I understand that and I can only go on what I think I might do in the situation, I have never been so I couldn't say with 100% certainty though I am as sure as I can be that I wouldn't be able to do it.

[fruit_cake]

The only thing I can say in the favour of people who choose to murder their own children, is that if they are going to be the parents, perhaps the kid really is better of dead.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by christmas_cake

The only thing I can say in the favour of people who choose to murder their own children, is that if they are going to be the parents, perhaps the kid really is better of dead.

Aborting a fetus is not murder.

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Aborting a fetus is not murder.

as far as I am concerned, it is.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by christmas_cake

as far as I am concerned, it is.

But it's a non-sentient being, it cannot feel anything, a fetus or an embryo is not a human being and should not be considered one