[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Originally Posted by Niall

Ikr? Mine have failed anyway because, neither me or my brother have been confirmed.

your brother

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Scott

how do you change faith? i wanna be buddist. would be epic if you could apply online

I think you have to go to a Buddhist place and apply.

Originally Posted by Scott

your brother

LOL

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

you said you would post more pics

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Niall

Well this is the thing, I still agree with their idea of God and style of mass. Its just some of the teachings the of Catholic Church I have major issues with which I have listed. You could say I'm Christian but I still prefer to consider myself Catholic because in any other church service I feel really alienated because everything is different. The Catholic service is the only place I feel normal in if you get what I mean?

Oh your church was part of that scandal then?

Your church was part of it too. The Catholic Church?

What is the Catholic idea of God then? Is it really that exclusive to Catholicism? Does being a 'Catholic' make the God somehow more real? More plausible? And what is that God anyway. Presumably it's the God of The Bible. That child slaying, city destroying rampant narcissist. What a bastard of a God to believe in, right?

I don't want to tell you what you are but Christians - practicing Christians - believe the Bible to be the word of God. They believe in the creation story, they believe the seed of life is sacred, all that sort of thing. You can't really cherry pick the sexy bits and disregard the vast majority of the tract.

One of the cornerstones of the Catholic belief is that your leader - the Pope - is infallible. That he is a direct voice of God and he can't be wrong. Believing those kind of things is what makes you a Catholic surely. Not finding the church buildings relaxing to sit in?

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I've never heard of pantheistic before.

I don't think I need to ex communicate myself as the catholic church have no hold over me anyway.

Of course they don't but you add to their numbers. Imagine if all the millions of Catholics-who-are-not-really-Catholics excommunicated tommorow morning? The Vatican would be embarrased. And I do love watching them get embarrased.

[Stu]

Damn I forgot to list my technical Religion :

http://dudeism.com/

Now I remember. I'm a Dudeist.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Stu

Your church was part of it too. The Catholic Church?

What is the Catholic idea of God then? Is it really that exclusive to Catholicism? Does being a 'Catholic' make the God somehow more real? More plausible? And what is that God anyway. Presumably it's the God of The Bible. That child slaying, city destroying rampant narcissist. What a bastard of a God to believe in, right?

I don't want to tell you what you are but Christians - practicing Christians - believe the Bible to be the word of God. They believe in the creation story, they believe the seed of life is sacred, all that sort of thing. You can't really cherry pick the sexy bits and disregard the vast majority of the tract.

One of the cornerstones of the Catholic belief is that your leader - the Pope - is infallible. That he is a direct voice of God and he can't be wrong. Believing those kind of things is what makes you a Catholic surely. Not finding the church buildings relaxing to sit in?

Of course they don't but you add to their numbers. Imagine if all the millions of Catholics-who-are-not-really-Catholics excommunicated tommorow morning? The Vatican would be embarrased. And I do love watching them get embarrased.

aahhh, ok I see your point now, may just do it myself!

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Stu

Your church was part of it too. The Catholic Church?

What is the Catholic idea of God then? Is it really that exclusive to Catholicism? Does being a 'Catholic' make the God somehow more real? More plausible? And what is that God anyway. Presumably it's the God of The Bible. That child slaying, city destroying rampant narcissist. What a bastard of a God to believe in, right?

I don't want to tell you what you are but Christians - practicing Christians - believe the Bible to be the word of God. They believe in the creation story, they believe the seed of life is sacred, all that sort of thing. You can't really cherry pick the sexy bits and disregard the vast majority of the tract.

One of the cornerstones of the Catholic belief is that your leader - the Pope - is infallible. That he is a direct voice of God and he can't be wrong. Believing those kind of things is what makes you a Catholic surely. Not finding the church buildings relaxing to sit in?

Of course they don't but you add to their numbers. Imagine if all the millions of Catholics-who-are-not-really-Catholics excommunicated tommorow morning? The Vatican would be embarrased. And I do love watching them get embarrased.

Well I do believe in most things they teach but I do pick and chose the parts of it that I believe. I know it ain't totally right but at the end of the day its what I choose to believe in. I'm not gonna let someone in a white robe tell me that I should believe in x, y and z because its in the Bible. I think I have a right to choose what I believe in.

Most of the essential Catholic beliefs and ideals I agree with fully. But its a few things that I have major issues with.

As for the Pope thing yeah I guess I do believe he is God's voice on Earth but the part about him never being wrong is just silly. I think that he can make statements that are divine but not everything he says is God speaking through him.

Also I believe in that kind of God yes. But he isn't always a God of hate (sorry to sound like a priest here) but I do think he can be loving. I have to say though when you put it that way it does make me consider switching religion because that makes the Christian God sound awful. I guess you could say I haven't declared myself an agnostic now because the Christian God is the only type of God I've ever really known in depth. I don't know. The whole thing is still really confusing for me lol. Sorry if none of that makes no sense.

[Locke.]

Dunno. I woulda voted christian but you've got 3 different types of them an I cba looking up which are what

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Locke.

Dunno. I woulda voted christian but you've got 3 different types of them an I cba looking up which are what

LOL fair enough

[Callum]

Catholic, although I rarely go to church, I want to start going again. I believe in God fully but not sure on the idea of heaven and hell.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Niall

Well I do believe in most things they teach but I do pick and chose the parts of it that I believe. I know it ain't totally right but at the end of the day its what I choose to believe in. I'm not gonna let someone in a white robe tell me that I should believe in x, y and z because its in the Bible. I think I have a right to choose what I believe in.

Most of the essential Catholic beliefs and ideals I agree with fully. But its a few things that I have major issues with.

As for the Pope thing yeah I guess I do believe he is God's voice on Earth but the part about him never being wrong is just silly. I think that he can make statements that are divine but not everything he says is God speaking through him.

Also I believe in that kind of God yes. But he isn't always a God of hate (sorry to sound like a priest here) but I do think he can be loving. I have to say though when you put it that way it does make me consider switching religion because that makes the Christian God sound awful. I guess you could say I haven't declared myself an agnostic now because the Christian God is the only type of God I've ever really known in depth. I don't know. The whole thing is still really confusing for me lol. Sorry if none of that makes no sense.

But you don't know the Christian God 'in depth'. It's just a story you have read. We invented all the Gods we believe in, he didn't invent us. None of us could possibly comprehend the true nature of life, the universe and everything [cheap pun].

I don't get it to be honest. You can't be Catholic and not believe in core Catholic beliefs so yeah I am confused. It's like me telling everyone I love bowling, but I hate the whole bit with the ball and the pins.

Do you really need to keep calling yourself a Catholic to believe in some of the nicer things the J-Man said about loving one another and all that? It seems weak to define yourself as a Catholic because you love some of the things like respecting one another and turning the other cheek. Are those exclusive to Catholicism? I mean I believe in most of that too but I'm not Catholic. I have a hard time disagreeing with virtually everything Jesus said but I'm still not believing in the story.

Originally Posted by Callum

Catholic, although I rarely go to church, I want to start going again. I believe in God fully but not sure on the idea of heaven and hell.

More mind boggling 'beliefs'! What the eff? Heaven and hell are integral to Christianity and it's God! I mean ... he lives in heaven! Bad people go to hell! He said all this himself in his overlong and throughly dissapointing biography?!

I ought to just avoid TiBB religion threads .

[Iceman]

Born a Catholic but don't practice. I dont know what I believe, if I believe anything.

[Callum]

Originally Posted by Stu

More mind boggling 'beliefs'! What the eff? Heaven and hell are integral to Christianity and it's God! I mean ... he lives in heaven! Bad people go to hell! He said all this himself in his overlong and throughly dissapointing biography?!

I ought to just avoid TiBB religion threads .

I don't know what to believe, I'd like to think there is a heaven, it's kind of comforting to think that there's a place you go after you die. Hell scares me though, I'd hate to go there and burn in everlasting fire.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Callum

I don't know what to believe, I'd like to think there is a heaven, it's kind of comforting to think that there's a place you go after you die. Hell scares me though, I'd hate to go there and burn in everlasting fire.

Thing is you cant really "believe in God fully" but be undecided about the existance of Heaven and Hell

When it comes to picking and choosing from the Bible, I think all Christians do it to some extent, because the book is littered with contradicitions throughout

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Stu

But you don't know the Christian God 'in depth'. It's just a story you have read. We invented all the Gods we believe in, he didn't invent us. None of us could possibly comprehend the true nature of life, the universe and everything [cheap pun].

I don't get it to be honest. You can't be Catholic and not believe in core Catholic beliefs so yeah I am confused. It's like me telling everyone I love bowling, but I hate the whole bit with the ball and the pins.

Do you really need to keep calling yourself a Catholic to believe in some of the nicer things the J-Man said about loving one another and all that? It seems weak to define yourself as a Catholic because you love some of the things like respecting one another and turning the other cheek. Are those exclusive to Catholicism? I mean I believe in most of that too but I'm not Catholic. I have a hard time disagreeing with virtually everything Jesus said but I'm still not believing in the story.

LOL I know it sounds really stupid. And when you put it like that look like an ass.

Ok so put it this way: I'm Christian but I have my own set of ideas and beliefs about it and I prefer the whole Catholic mass and that stuff. Hows that?

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Callum

I don't know what to believe, I'd like to think there is a heaven, it's kind of comforting to think that there's a place you go after you die. Hell scares me though, I'd hate to go there and burn in everlasting fire.

Well Catholics believe in heaven and hell, I can tell you that.

It's interesting though ... most people do seem to love the idea of heaven if they are thinking about Christianity and tend to forget about the other place. I remember getting slagged off for 'believing in hell' by Christians during my goth years. The irony was brilliant.

I'm happy with mortal life. Have your fun then die. The great thing about being dead is you don't know your dead. Coz your dead.

Of course most people who picture the afterlife seem to think of it as this place where they can play pool with historical characters in the sky. It could be quite boring. You could be just a totally depersonalized, self aware entity hanging in space for all eternity in a quiet, contemplative state of peace.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Niall

LOL I know it sounds really stupid. And when you put it like that look like an ass.

Ok so put it this way: I'm Christian but I have my own set of ideas and beliefs about is and I prefer the whole Catholic mass and that stuff. Hows that?

Well the Catholics were clearly always the most theatrical. They love a good tragedy .

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Stu

Well the Catholics were clearly always the most theatrical. They love a good tragedy .

LOL

[MTVN]

One of my main problems with Christianity is that anyone who doesnt fully submit themselves to the ways of the Bible and the Church is automatically confined to Hell. Doesnt really sound like the loving, merciful & forgiving God that is often portrayed

[Stu]

Originally Posted by MTVN

One of my main problems with Christianity is that anyone who doesnt fully submit themselves to the ways of the Bible and the Church is automatically confined to Hell. Doesnt really sound like the loving, merciful & forgiving God that is often portrayed

No apparently you can do whatever the hell you want and as long as you accept Jesus as your lord and saviour at the end of the day it's all cushtee. That's the most worrying thing about it. U.S. prisons are full of bible thumping inmates and most gangs wear crosses under their brass knucks. What have they to fear? It doesn't matter how ruthless they are in this life. As long as they say 'sorry Jesus, lol' they get into heaven.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Stu

No apparently you can do whatever the hell you want and as long as you accept Jesus as your lord and saviour at the end of the day it's all cushtee. That's the most worrying thing about it. U.S. prisons are full of bible thumping inmates and most gangs wear crosses under their brass knucks. What have they to fear? It doesn't matter how ruthless they are in this life. As long as they say 'sorry Jesus, lol' they get into heaven.

Yep, whereas if you dont happen to believe in Gof and if you lead a life free of crime and free of any serious wrongdoing eternal damnation is the fate awaiting you. I think that's one of the things hardest to justify from a Christian perspective, along with the fact that God supposedly a benevolant force that can intefere in our lives and in the world, yet could sit by while natural disasters kill hundreds of thousands of people.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yep, whereas if you dont happen to believe in Gof and if you lead a life free of crime and free of any serious wrongdoing eternal damnation is the fate awaiting you. I think that's one of the things hardest to justify from a Christian perspective, along with the fact that God supposedly a benevolant force that can intefere in our lives and in the world, yet could sit by while natural disasters kill hundreds of thousands of people.

Yes of course, impregnating a virgin with his son, to tell the world that he's Gods son is a far more effective way of convincing us all then say banishing poverty or stopping a tsunami

[Stu]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yep, whereas if you dont happen to believe in Gof and if you lead a life free of crime and free of any serious wrongdoing eternal damnation is the fate awaiting you. I think that's one of the things hardest to justify from a Christian perspective, along with the fact that God supposedly a benevolant force that can intefere in our lives and in the world, yet could sit by while natural disasters kill hundreds of thousands of people.

My favourite above all of that though is that the worlds most important message - to believe in God and accept him or you are going to roast in a lake of fire for all eternity - was delivered not in the minds of all human beings the world over simultaneously ... but left to this one carpenter in the middle of Desertsville, Middle East, and a group of his posse to write down and hand down through the generations. You might as well trust a kitten to explain the plot of Oceans Twelve.

There are still to this day parts of the world where the 'great message' has not extended to. God is hardly giving those poor saps a fair chance at redemption, is he?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Stu

My favourite above all of that though is that the worlds most important message - to believe in God and accept him or you are going to roast in a lake of fire for all eternity - was delivered not in the minds of all human beings the world over simultaneously ... but left to this one carpenter in the middle of Desertsville, Middle East, and a group of his posse to write down and hand down through the generations. You might as well trust a kitten to explain the plot of Oceans Twelve.

There are still to this day parts of the world where the 'great message' has not extended to. God is hardly giving those poor saps a fair chance at redemption, is he?

God is racist

[Princess]

I don't believe in God or any kind of high power. But I do believe in fate,miracles,meant to bes and so on which apprentley makes me Agnostic.