[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Shaun

yeah 'cos she totally did that inbetween wearing meat dresses and recording songs.

It happens with every mainstream popstar - emotionally unstable fanatics idolise them because they have delusion complexes and invest so much time in supporting their idol that they fool themselves into thinking they now have something to live for. The only thing GaGa is directly benefitting from these sorts of people? Sales. She can pretend to be an inspirational figure and an icon and a role model and a supportive figure, but the cold reality is she's not going to stop homophobia, she's not going to help every fan through every minor homophobic comment, or abusive bigots in the streets. She's profiteering off of people's insecurities, and whilst it's not directly a bad thing (because she's tolerant (and since WHEN was THAT a good thing in itself? It SHOULD be the norm, not a celebrated aspect)), it's shameful and it's giving credit where credit is not due. She has done nothing to save that man's life. If he was in such a ****ing dark place, 'Alejandro' wouldn't be the thing to save him from it.

I hate it when some of these people idolise Madonna too. She's had some good songs and tunes (with a lot of help), but couldn't hold a note to save her life. Credit to her for creating a very successful career out of it but I still think it's appalling. And her ego, don't get me started. lol
I'm all for older people dressing however they want, but she's disgusting.
Same goes for Gaga's dress sense even though she's much younger.

[Harry!]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

I hate it when some of these people idolise Madonna too. She's had some good songs and tunes (with a lot of help), but couldn't hold a note to save her life. Credit to her for creating a very successful career out of it but I still think it's appalling. And her ego, don't get me started. lol
I'm all for older people dressing however they want, but she's disgusting.
Same goes for Gaga's dress sense even though she's much younger.

You obviously havn't heard any of her Evita/Ray Of Light era then. She hit her hightest notes in that era. Same for her late 80's work (True Blue , Like A Prayer) and her vocal live. Madonna has been round for such a long time that she can do what ever she wants now. A true icon now beating age and sex discrimination.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Harry!

You obviously havn't heard any of her Evita/Ray Of Light era then. She hit her hightest notes in that era. Same for her late 80's work (True Blue , Like A Prayer) and her vocal live. Madonna has been round for such a long time that she can do what ever she wants now. A true icon now beating age and sex discrimination.

Like I said, she's made some good songs (Ray of Light is an example).
Doesn't make her a good singer. And her "Evita" era really shouldn't be used as an example of how good she is, I won't discuss what I think of her acting but you can probably guess.
As for her live vocals, credit for not lip synching (a lot of the time) but she sounds very flat and monotone.