[Lee.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

^ Why did you use that amazed face?

Because I'm amazed?

Why?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by happyland

Because I'm amazed?

Why?

I always think of that as a happy smiley, like when you're amazed in a good way that's all

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I always think of that as a happy smiley, like when you're amazed in a good way that's all

HAhah.. I see.

Yeah I suppose it does look kind of happy actually!

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by happyland

You don't see how he was inciting hate? Are you serious?

Mind you.. You've already made your feelings known towards Jews... What was it you called the area you live? Jew Central? Nice

Its not inciting hatred in my eyes no. Its being ridiculously offensive and insulting for no reason, but not inciting hate. Inciting hatred would be a hate speech, or trying to convert others to his vile views, not a few drunken stupid sentences :S

As for the second part of your post, I knew as soon as I commented in here that some dickhead would bring that up. I also was pretty sure it would be you. Congratulations on being so predictable

Yes, I did call Bensham jew central, as do many others. Im assuming you have never been there if you do not see why I have no problem with jews, except when they are rude to me, same as everyone else. However you chose to jump on one thing I said once and make it into something it isnt

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Its not inciting hatred in my eyes no. Its being ridiculously offensive and insulting for no reason, but not inciting hate. Inciting hatred would be a hate speech, or trying to convert others to his vile views, not a few drunken stupid sentences :S

As for the second part of your post, I knew as soon as I commented in here that some dickhead would bring that up. I also was pretty sure it would be you. Congratulations on being so predictable

Yes, I did call Bensham jew central, as do many others. Im assuming you have never been there if you do not see why I have no problem with jews, except when they are rude to me, same as everyone else. However you chose to jump on one thing I said once and make it into something it isnt

To be honest Vicky, I don't think you should be referring to me or any other member as a "dickhead".
You can't really go about your job and infract people for insulting other members, when you're doing exactly that yourself.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by happyland

To be honest Vicky, I don't think you should be referring to me or any other member as a "dickhead".
You can't really go about your job and infract people for insulting other members, when you're doing exactly that yourself.

Yeah maybe so. Guess I don't take being told I'm prejudiced because of ONE comment well. Shame on me.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I dont get how he was 'inciting hatred' tbh. Just seems like a stupid drunken rant. And I'm sorry but judging by the video, the women didnt even seem too offended by it either. Giggling away.. not that that makes what he said right in any way, but I think this has been blown MASSIVELY out of proportion.

Yes, sure Drunken Rant
like Mel Gibson did.

But here his Owner is a Jew
so he could not have a Pro-Hitler Piss Head
anymore.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

.........As for the second part of your post, I knew as soon as I commented in here that some dickhead would bring that up. I also was pretty sure it would be you. Congratulations on being so predictable

Yes, I did call Bensham jew central, as do many others. Im assuming you have never been there if you do not see why I have no problem with jews, except when they are rude to me, same as everyone else. However you chose to jump on one thing I said once and make it into something it isnt

No, you obviously have no problem with Jews. Unless they're rude to you of course. But it seems it's okay for you to be rude to them, right? I expect you could have gone on to say that some of your best friends are Jews. Isn't that what people say just before or after they've made a slightly racist remark? I'm not even insulted because I'm a Jew; I'm insulted because you thought what you said was perfectly okay. I wonder if the Jews call it Racist D1ckhead Central? Not that you'd have a problem with that, right? I mean, you obviously don’t have a problem with calling people d1ckheads, so you shouldn’t mind others using it, surely.

The problem with what Galliano said, and with what this mod has said, is that it singles people out as different on the grounds of their race alone. If you're claiming your right to free speech in order to be able to wound someone verbally, then you need to look at your motivation and your morals. Here’s a thought, quite radical, but I’m going with it… what if we try to respect one another? We’re not that different you know. As Shakespeare’s most famous Jew, Shylock said, “Cut us, to we not bleed? Tickle us, do we not laugh?”

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Livia

No, you obviously have no problem with Jews. Unless they're rude to you of course. But it seems it's okay for you to be rude to them, right? I expect you could have gone on to say that some of your best friends are Jews. Isn't that what people say just before or after they've made a slightly racist remark? I'm not even insulted because I'm a Jew; I'm insulted because you thought what you said was perfectly okay. I wonder if the Jews call it Racist D1ckhead Central? Not that you'd have a problem with that, right? I mean, you obviously don’t have a problem with calling people d1ckheads, so you shouldn’t mind others using it, surely.

The problem with what Galliano said, and with what this mod has said, is that it singles people out as different on the grounds of their race alone. If you're claiming your right to free speech in order to be able to wound someone verbally, then you need to look at your motivation and your morals. Here’s a thought, quite radical, but I’m going with it… what if we try to respect one another? We’re not that different you know. As Shakespeare’s most famous Jew, Shylock said, “Cut us, to we not bleed? Tickle us, do we not laugh?”

This exactly.. this is what up and coming generations need drummed into them, NOT that they have a right to say whatever they want to others.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Livia

No, you obviously have no problem with Jews. Unless they're rude to you of course. But it seems it's okay for you to be rude to them, right? I expect you could have gone on to say that some of your best friends are Jews. Isn't that what people say just before or after they've made a slightly racist remark? I'm not even insulted because I'm a Jew; I'm insulted because you thought what you said was perfectly okay. I wonder if the Jews call it Racist D1ckhead Central? Not that you'd have a problem with that, right? I mean, you obviously don’t have a problem with calling people d1ckheads, so you shouldn’t mind others using it, surely.

I love how one comment on here gets blown so out of proportion

As for the bit in bold, they may well do, I dont know. And no, I wouldnt really have a problem with that. Its only words at the end of the day

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I love how one comment on here gets blown so out of proportion

As for the bit in bold, they may well do, I dont know. And no, I wouldnt really have a problem with that. Its only words at the end of the day

Well its words that make the world go around, it's how we communicate with one another, how we convey love, anger, wisdom, hatred and the whole gamut of human emotion and achievement. Its also words that cause members on this forum to be banned, when they step over the line from debating to insulting and abusing. If "its only words after all", why then don't we have total freedom to say whatever the hell we like to anyone on this forum?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I love how one comment on here gets blown so out of proportion

As for the bit in bold, they may well do, I dont know. And no, I wouldnt really have a problem with that. Its only words at the end of the day

You laugh at this but what I laugh at is that you're a moderator on a forum and you dont realise that casually calling a forum member a d*ckhead or referring to a district in your town as 'Jew Central' are not things you should be enocuraging on the forum. Thats what I find funny.

On Topic. The comments were justification for Galliano being fired.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by happyland

You don't see how he was inciting hate? Are you serious?

you really need to go google the word inciting.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Zippy

you really need to go google the word inciting.

It come from the Latin word "incitare" meaning "to spur or start up" I reckon his rant was pretty much "spurring" hate.

You really need to go google "French law".. His actions were illegal. End of

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

You laugh at this but what I laugh at is that you're a moderator on a forum and you dont realise that casually calling a forum member a d*ckhead or referring to a district in your town as 'Jew Central' are not things you should be enocuraging on the forum. Thats what I find funny.

Glad I amuse you then

You have made my day

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Glad I amuse you then

You have made my day

Its interesting that you replied to me and not to the two Jewish forum members who are challenging your views. Do you have anything to say on topic?

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by happyland

It come from the Latin word "incitare" meaning "to spur or start up" I reckon his rant was pretty much "spurring" hate.

You really need to go google "French law".. His actions were illegal. End of

he wasn't stirring up or encouraging anything. He was just insulting for his own entertainment.

Ive never said anything about whether it was illegal. People do lots of petty things that are technically illegal but it doesnt mean they should all be clogging up the system. A simple warning is all thats needed.

anybody saying anything insulting to somebody else could be arrested following your logic. Oh wait, only if the insult ticks the PC list of unacceptable targets.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Its interesting that you replied to me and not to the two Jewish forum members who are challenging your views. Do you have anything to say on topic?

I dont give a stuff about people challenging my views to be honest with you.

And who do you think you are, telling me who to reply to dear

Edit. And I only see angus' reply to me Which I have now answered anyways as I didnt read the bit on the end.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by angus58

Well its words that make the world go around, it's how we communicate with one another, how we convey love, anger, wisdom, hatred and the whole gamut of human emotion and achievement. Its also words that cause members on this forum to be banned, when they step over the line from debating to insulting and abusing. If "its only words after all", why then don't we have total freedom to say whatever the hell we like to anyone on this forum?

Sorry I missed this bit.

Do I need to write 'in my opinion' at the start of each post? Personally, if this was MY forum, there wouldnt be rules about insulting or anything. As it is, it is not my forum. And its other peoples rules that need to be upheld. (along with the fact that kiddies are on here too )

I just dont get how people are getting so worked up by two words. Jew central. Seriously. Wow, if the place was full of blondes/gingers/cats/purple people whatever I would call it the same thing. Its just a passing phrase

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I dont give a stuff about people challenging my views to be honest with you.

And who do you think you are, telling me who to reply to dear

I didnt tell you who to reply to I merely pointed out that you didnt post an on topic reply. I thought it was a fair point TBH not deserving your 'who the hell' response. You cant complain this thread is off topic as you are the one responsible for it being so.

On topic - I appreiate Galliano's right to freedom of speech but given what he said the sacking was justified given the negative effect it has had on the Dior name.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

I didnt tell you who to reply to I merely pointed out that you didnt post an on topic reply. I thought it was a fair point TBH not deserving your 'who the hell' response. You cant complain this thread is off topic as you are the one responsible for it being so.

On topic - I appreiate Galliano's right to freedom of speech but given what he said the sacking was justified given the negative effect it has had on the Dior name.

I did that where? :S

And also, you only added the 'on topic' bit on your other post as an afterthought, so I find it quite laughable that you are challenging me on replying to an offtopic post, with an offtopic answer. So you obviously have no real problem with offtopic posts, you are just wanting to moan at me. Which is also fine. As its YOUR right

Also, this wouldnt have even been took offtopic, if one FM hadnt decided to bring in something pretty irrelevant to THIS thread(as it was an off the cuff remark elsewhere, a while ago)...to try and make my opinion less valid. Funny how you blame me for someone else bringing in irrelevant arguments, eh?

[Zippy]

I don't see anything wrong with the term jew central. It just simply means lots of jewish people live there. ffs some people really need to quit applying great meaning to simple comments. I have no idea whether Vicky is racist or anything thing else but a comment like that certainly doesn't convict her.

There's nothing wrong with pointing out peoples differences. I think you'll find it's a primeval instinct of human beings and the root of tribalism.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I did that where? :S

And also, you only added the 'on topic' bit on your other post as an afterthought, so I find it quite laughable that you are challenging me on replying to an offtopic post, with an offtopic answer. So you obviously have no real problem with offtopic posts, you are just wanting to moan at me. Which is also fine. As its YOUR right

Also, this wouldnt have even been took offtopic, if one FM hadnt decided to bring in something pretty irrelevant to THIS thread(as it was an off the cuff remark elsewhere, a while ago)...to try and make my opinion less valid. Funny how you blame me for someone else bringing in irrelevant arguments, eh?

I posted my other post before i finished it. The on topic part was always part of it. Trust you to jump to such conclusions.

I feel the point was valid due to your history on such topics. You said what you said, no one forced you to say it. Surely you should have no problem with us commenting on it.

[Vicky.]

Nope, no problem with people commenting on it. Problem with people making me out to be racist based on one comment though. And what on earth do you mean my history with such topics?

And no, your ontopic part was NOT part of the original post. I can see the first edit btw. So no jumping to conclusions here

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Zippy

I don't see anything wrong with the term jew central. It just simply means lots of jewish people live there. ffs some people really need to quit applying great meaning to simple comments. I have no idea whether Vicky is racist or anything thing else but a comment like that certainly doesn't convict her.

There's nothing wrong with pointing out peoples differences. I think you'll find it's a primeval instinct of human beings and the root of tribalism.

So basically it's the prerogative of the person making the comment to determine whether or not he is insulting, offending and/or abusing the person to whom the comment is directed? Therefore no consideration needs to be given to the way in which the comment is received or the insult, abuse and/or offence being caused to the recipient of unsolicited comments which are, after all, merely opinions or "just words" directed towards them? Ooookay - whatever