[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Can you read? Abortion can very well be about drilling holes into babies heads because that's what sometimes happens. Babies getting their heads drilled and brains sucked out DOES happen and so it is very sensible and reasonable to throw that in. It does happen. And even if it happens rarely it's still disgusting and appalling how everyone involved acts like it's normal or nothing is wrong about it. You can't dismiss this or belittle this by saying that it happens rarely. This is a moral issue. If there is nothing wrong with one baby getting its skull crushed and its brains removed, then there's nothing wrong if that happens to a million babies.

I wouldn't argue for a time limit reduction because, like I said, I won't play God. Would it be better for the time limit to be reduced? Sure, but that ignores the principle of the matter. You'll call my position extreme but I call it consistent and not contradictory. Most people on abortion have contradictory positions, yourself included. For example, in some US states you'll find someone could be charged with two murders if they murder a pregnant woman and yet that same woman could have legally terminated her own baby on the same day according to state law. I think there are really only two positions you can hold on abortion that are truely consistent and not contradictory: those who think life begins at conception and, as such, abortion should be illegal and those who believe the baby can be aborted a minute before it's delivered because it's the woman's body. Both positions are the only truely principled positions a person could have on this issue even though I find the principles of the latter horrific.

Probably my personal favorite politician of all time, Doctor Ron Paul, wrote a book on his positions and his opinion on abortion was forged early in his life when he inadvertently walked in on an abortion. He saw a baby that was removed and was still alive and crying while everyone in the room acted like they didn't hear it as it slowly died. Someone said earlier that they agree with the US Supreme Court's decision that life only begins when the baby could theoretically live outside the womb. I would like nothing better than for this person and others who share this person's opinion to witness an abortion of a baby that is not developed enough to live outside the womb, but is developed enough to cry for its mother. Would you just sit there and act like nothing was wrong as it cried and slowly died?

I'd love to live in your black and white world where morality is simple and easily defined, I also love that your argument is based around such a small portion of abortions that have no impact on the larger picture. It'd be like me saying 'Abortion should be legal just because sometimes people get raped' which is stupid to base an entire argument on as it only covers a small part of why there should be a choice. You can't base your whole argument around extreme examples because they don't hold true to everyday life. Very few people go 'Oh don't bother using a condom, I can just go for an abortion LOL', most of the time it's an agonizing choice that has to be made and a decision that will live with the woman forever.

It'd be interesting to see if your own convictions would hold up if you were faced with the choice.