[Zippy]

Originally Posted by Tom.

Maybe he should have bought better windows and doors, some cameras, an alarm etc like the rest of us do

Ive never bought any of those things. So apparently I deserve to be burgalled. By your logic.

And it got even more ridiculous when one of the burglars, Fearon, went on to sue him....OMFG the nerve;

During 2003, Fearon applied for, and received, an estimated £5,000 of legal aid to sue Martin for loss of earnings due to the injuries he had sustained.[13] However, the case was thrown into doubt when photographs were published in The Sun, showing him "cycling and climbing with little apparent difficulty" suggesting that Fearon's injuries were not as serious as had been claimed.[14] While the case was pending, Fearon was recalled to jail after being charged with the theft of a vehicle while on probation on a conviction for dealing heroin.[15] Fearon later dropped the case when Martin agreed to drop a counter-claim. Tens of thousands of pounds of public money had been spent on the case.[16]

[Tom.]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Ive never bought any of those things. So apparently I deserve to be burgalled. By your logic.

Have you been burgled 10 times and suffered £6k in losses? And have you bought a shot gun to update your home security? Unless you've done that then no you don't deserve to get robbed by my logic, because you're just twisting what I'm saying.

Originally Posted by Vicky.

LOL. Yeah, because everyone wants to live in a prison

You shouldnt have to put bars on the windows just to keep dickheads who cant be bothered earning their own stuff out.

If he wanted to stay in the house then maybe he should have. Who else would stay in a house after being robbed that much?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Tom.

Have you been burgled 10 times and suffered £6k in losses? And have you bought a shot gun to update your home security? Unless you've done that then no you don't deserve to get robbed by my logic, because you're just twisting what I'm saying.



If he wanted to stay in the house then maybe he should have. Who else would stay in a house after being robbed that much?

He shouldnt have to do any of that though, it's not his responsibility to go out of his way and spend a fortune because someone invades his property.

[Tom.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

He shouldnt have to do any of that though, it's not his responsibility to go out of his way and spend a fortune because someone invades his property.

Of course its the home owners responsibility to make sure your house has good security and to update it where necessary. Ideally you should be able to leave your front and back doors open without anyone coming in but thats never going to happen. Its your responsibility to make sure your house is secure.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Tom.

Of course its the home owners responsibility to make sure your house has good security and to update it where necessary. Ideally you should be able to leave your front and back doors open without anyone coming in but thats never going to happen. Its your responsibility to make sure your house is secure.

So basically, unless we all have super security systems and bars on our windows, we deserve for some lowlife to break in and steal our stuff. Nice.

[Tom.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

So basically, unless we all have super security systems and bars on our windows, we deserve for some lowlife to break in and steal our stuff. Nice.

I'm not saying that at all, noone deserves to be broken into but if you don't maintain or improve your security then its going to happen sooner or later. You'll always maintain or improve fire alarms etc so its just the same kind of thing. If you repeatedly get broken into and haven't done anything about it then maybe its time to do something. Its like fat people wondering why they aren't losing weight whilst eating KFC

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Tom.

I'm not saying that at all, noone deserves to be broken into but if you don't maintain or improve your security then its going to happen sooner or later. You'll always maintain or improve fire alarms etc so its just the same kind of thing. If you repeatedly get broken into and haven't done anything about it then maybe its time to do something. Its like fat people wondering why they aren't losing weight whilst eating KFC

And what if you cant afford to 'do something about it'? Not everyone can afford to go out and upgrade their whole house, especially after a burglary.

Surely locking your windows and doors should be enough security. And if it happens again and again, the police should have done something. As it happens, he got no help, so took his own security measures.

And I bet hes had no breakins since then. And other people were saved from having breakins because one of the hardcore burglars died. So it clearly worked.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Tom.

Of course its the home owners responsibility to make sure your house has good security and to update it where necessary. Ideally you should be able to leave your front and back doors open without anyone coming in but thats never going to happen. Its your responsibility to make sure your house is secure.

You can leave your doors unlocked and your windows wide open, it's still a crime to trespass on someone else's property, and not having expensive security system doesnt mitigate that. Either you have the right to defend your property or you dont, you dont have less of a right to do so because you cant afford to make your house as secure as you might like

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by Tom.

Have you been burgled 10 times and suffered £6k in losses? And have you bought a shot gun to update your home security? Unless you've done that then no you don't deserve to get robbed by my logic, because you're just twisting what I'm saying.

If I was in his position and was his age then yes I probably would buy a gun! Damn straight. I think youre underestimating how utterly stressed out and scared he was by the point. Never mind his property, he probably feared for his own life.

And he didnt leave his doors and windows open. thats all any household should need to do to be sensible. Your logic is twisted. They broke into his home ffs!

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Zippy

And he didnt leave his doors and windows open. thats all any household should need to do to be sensible. Your logic is twisted. They broke into his home ffs!

Yeah, if he had left his windows and doors open...then I could agree that it was his fault (even though I have forgot to lock my own door sometimes for whole nights, and would still have been pissed if Id got burgled )

However, its not like that

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Ive never bought any of those things. So apparently I deserve to be burgalled. By your logic.

And it got even more ridiculous when one of the burglars, Fearon, went on to sue him....OMFG the nerve;

During 2003, Fearon applied for, and received, an estimated £5,000 of legal aid to sue Martin for loss of earnings due to the injuries he had sustained.[13] However, the case was thrown into doubt when photographs were published in The Sun, showing him "cycling and climbing with little apparent difficulty" suggesting that Fearon's injuries were not as serious as had been claimed.[14] While the case was pending, Fearon was recalled to jail after being charged with the theft of a vehicle while on probation on a conviction for dealing heroin.[15] Fearon later dropped the case when Martin agreed to drop a counter-claim. Tens of thousands of pounds of public money had been spent on the case.[16]

Awww bless him. Could he not climb in windows anymore?

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Ive never bought any of those things. So apparently I deserve to be burgalled. By your logic.

And it got even more ridiculous when one of the burglars, Fearon, went on to sue him....OMFG the nerve;

During 2003, Fearon applied for, and received, an estimated £5,000 of legal aid to sue Martin for loss of earnings due to the injuries he had sustained.[13] However, the case was thrown into doubt when photographs were published in The Sun, showing him "cycling and climbing with little apparent difficulty" suggesting that Fearon's injuries were not as serious as had been claimed.[14] While the case was pending, Fearon was recalled to jail after being charged with the theft of a vehicle while on probation on a conviction for dealing heroin.[15] Fearon later dropped the case when Martin agreed to drop a counter-claim. Tens of thousands of pounds of public money had been spent on the case.[16]

He got asked if he wanted an input on the show I watched on ITV about Tony Martin. He said he'd appear for a fee. ITV told him to eff off