[Shaun]

majority of under 2000 people, that is. A straw poll is always intended to give a reflection of a cross-section of society but that's all it ever is. It's never the majority of Britons.

[CharlieO]

Death is nothingness, prison is a form of torture. why not let them feel pain but have a reversible option if possible.

Though i dont agree when people get let out early for being 'good'.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by MTVN

So if the majority wanted to introduce forced labour it would make it right? Or if they said they would kick out all other races and have an all-white Britain? An opinion being shared among the majority does not automatically give them the right to deprive citizens of civil liberties and human rights.

Of course it doesnt make it right,but if the majority wanted them stuff to happen then they should get what they want.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

Of course it doesnt make it right,but if the majority wanted them stuff to happen then they should get what they want.

What an absolutely ridiculous perpsective.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

You still haven't answered my other question.

How is it fair on that 1% who happen to be innocent?

Its not,but there will be 99% chance of a criminal being prosecuted.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

Of course it doesnt make it right,but if the majority wanted them stuff to happen then they should get what they want.

So you'd be happy to deprive people of their lives, of their rights and liberties just to satisfy a tryannical majority?

Back in 1933 the majority got what they wanted in Germany (well it wasnt quite a majority, but they were comfortably the largest party) Hitler was made Chancellor. Look how that turned out.

[Stu]

Prosecuting a death penalty case is extremely expensive for a state and drains money that could be used for education and social programs. Capital punishment costs more than sentencing a prisoner to life without parole. The most comprehensive death penalty study in the country found that the death penalty cost North Carolina $2.16 million more per execution over the costs of sentencing murderers to life imprisonment. The majority of these costs occur at the trial level.[4] In its review of death penalty expenses, the State of Kansas concluded that capital cases are 70 percent more expensive than comparable non-death penalty cases, including the costs of incarceration.

"The death penalty is much more expensive than life without parole because the Constitution requires a long and complex judicial process for capital cases. This process is needed in order to ensure that innnocent men and woman are not executed for crimes they did not commit, and even with these protections the risk of executing an innocent person can not be completely eliminated.

If the death penalty was replaced with a sentence of Life Without the Possibility of Parole, which costs millions less and also ensures that the public is protected while eliminating the risk of an irreversible mistake [...] More than 3500 men and woman have received this sentence in California since 1978 and NOT ONE has been released, except those few individuals who were able to prove their innocence."

• more pre-trial time will be needed to prepare: cases typically take a year to come to trial
• more pre-trial motions will be filed and answered
• more experts will be hired
• twice as many attorneys will be appointed for the defense, and a comparable team for the prosecution
• jurors will have to be individually quizzed on their views about the death penalty, and they are more likely to be sequestered
• two trials instead of one will be conducted: one for guilt and one for punishment
• the trial will be longer: a cost study at Duke University estimated that death penalty trials take 3 to 5 times longer than typical murder trials

Washington State “At the trial level, death penalty cases are estimated to generate roughly $470,000 in additional costs to the prosecution and defense over the cost of trying the same case as an aggravated murder without the death penalty and costs of $47,000 to $70,000 for court personnel.” (Final Report of the Death Penalty Subcommittee of the Committee on Public Defense, Washington State Bar Association, December 2006,
http://www.wsba.org/lawyers/groups/commi…


Tennessee: “Death penalty trials cost an average of 48% more than the average cost of trials in which prosecutors seek life imprisonment.” (The Tennessee Comptroller of the Treasury Office of Research's Report, "Tennessee's Death Penalty: Costs and Consequences."
http://www.comptroller.state.tn.us/orea/…

Kansas: “The study counted death penalty case costs through to execution and found that the median death penalty case costs $1.26 million. Non-death penalty cases were counted through to the end of incarceration and were found to have a median cost of $740,000. For death penalty cases, the pre-trial and trial level expenses were the most expensive part, 49% of the total cost. The investigation costs for death-sentence cases were about 3 times greater than for non-death cases. The trial costs for death cases were about 16 times greater than for non-death cases ($508,000 for death case; $32,000 for non-death case).” (. Kansas: Performance Audit Report: Costs Incurred for Death Penalty Cases: A K-GOAL Audit of the Department of Corrections)

North Carolina: The most comprehensive death penalty study in the country found that the death penalty costs North Carolina $2.16 million more per execution than the a non-death penalty murder case with a sentence of life imprisonment http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/northcar…
links to ("The Costs of Processing Murder Cases in North Carolina" Duke University, May 1993)

http://www.deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=42

http://www.aclu.org/capital-punishme...th-penalty-101




That's just a start. There is no good reason for the death penalty to be reintroduced. It bothers me that people who it will never affect seem to hell bent on bringing it back. It's not healthy for society that people are willing to yearn for such drastic, draconian, eye for eye, vengeful things. I don't want my kids growing up in a world where a media circus complete with up to the minute Sky News coverage makes a national event out of watching a rapist or serial get his whilst we cheer on pointing, laughing, spreading text jokes and patting outselves on the back for what a good job with the world we are doing.

It's immature and uninformed at best, downright paranoid and psychotic at worst. I like my morals simple and straightfoward with no hideously bloodthirst driven contradictions. Killing is wrong. End of story.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by MTVN

So you'd be happy to deprive people of their lives, of their rights and liberties just to satisfy a tryannical majority?

Back in 1933 the majority got what they wanted in Germany (well it wasnt quite a majority, but they were comfortably the largest party) Hitler was made Chancellor. Look how that turned out.

Your basically advocating a dictatorship then if you never let the majority have what they want.

Also hitler pretended to be a really nice person thats why the germans voted for him.

And no I wouldnt be happy about depriving people of there rights or lives or liberties,and there will never be a majority in this country that will agree with the stuff you mentioned,thank god.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by CharlieOsborne

Death is nothingness, prison is a form of torture. why not let them feel pain but have a reversible option if possible.

Though i dont agree when people get let out early for being 'good'.

LOL really?

Sure they are under all forms of stress sat there with their free 3 meals a day and playing on their playstations

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

Your basically advocating a dictatorship then if you never let the majority have what they want.

Also hitler pretended to be a really nice person thats why the germans voted for him.

And no I wouldnt be happy about depriving people of there rights or lives or liberties,and there will never be a majority in this country that will agree with the stuff you mentioned,thank god.

Your replies in this topic have been GOLDEN.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

Your basically advocating a dictatorship then if you never let the majority have what they want.

Also hitler pretended to be a really nice person thats why the germans voted for him.

And no I wouldnt be happy about depriving people of there rights or lives or liberties,and there will never be a majority in this country that will agree with the stuff you mentioned,thank god.

Just stop trying, please. It's like watching a dog slowly suffer under the wheel of a parked car.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

LOL really?

Sure they are under all forms of stress sat there with their free 3 meals a day and playing on their playstations

Dont forget the tortous Xbox and Xbox 360.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Stu

Just stop trying, please. It's like watching a dog slowly suffer under the wheel of a parked car.

Just stop trying what? debating.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

Your basically advocating a dictatorship then if you never let the majority have what they want.

Also hitler pretended to be a really nice person thats why the germans voted for him.

And no I wouldnt be happy about depriving people of there rights or lives or liberties,and there will never be a majority in this country that will agree with the stuff you mentioned,thank god.

Of course I'm not advocating a dictatorship, I'd advocating placing limits on governments so that individuals arent forced to live under tyrannical and oppresive laws just because the majority want it. There's no excuse for oppression, full stop.

He hardly pretended to be a really nice person, his intentions were explicit enough, even in the very early years of the Nazis; look at some of the quotes from Mein Kampf, some of his speeches and their 25 point plan. Not all voters were raging racists and anti-semites true, but that's hardly the point.

The majority supposedly support the death penalty, taking the life of another human being, it might not be on the same level as forced racial expatriation but it's still draconian and shouldnt be allowed to exist. And in a lot of countries they still have national service which is a form of forced labour, so there are real threats to the liberty and rights of individuals, and there always will be.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

Just stop trying what? debating.

Is that what you call it?

51 percent in a poll of 2,000 is no barometer whatsoever for making such drastic moral decisions that are baseless, uninformed, bullshit and are both costly and unhealthy for society. This is not a debate. It's a farce.

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

LOL really?

Sure they are under all forms of stress sat there with their free 3 meals a day and playing on their playstations

-just looked up playstations in prison-

my opinion has changed. that is disgraceful they should be punished for what they do.

i do think that is ridiculous they need to shop s**t like that.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Stu

Is that what you call it?

51 percent in a poll of 2,000 is no barometer whatsoever for making such drastic moral decisions that are baseless, uninformed, bullshit and are both costly and unhealthy for society. This is not a debate. It's a farce.

Most surveys and polls normally have bigger leads than that proving that we as a nation want the death penalty back.

Also go and be patronising to someone else please?

[Glenn.]

I completely agree with bringing the Death Penalty back. If your willing to take a life, then you should pay with your own.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

Most surveys and polls normally have bigger leads than that proving that we as a nation want the death penalty back.

Also go and be patronising to someone else please?

Is that what you call conveying an effective argument?

Stick to discussing the poll that has been posted unless you are actually going to put your money where your mouth is and dispense some of this knowledge you have of other more effective polls.

[CharlieO]

The majority of people probably want free food, that doesn't mean tesco is going to let it happen. nor would it be a smart move.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by CharlieOsborne

The majority of people probably want free food, that doesn't mean tesco is going to let it happen. nor would it be a smart move.

Your comparing Tesco to Murderers,rapists,pedophiles?

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

Your comparing Tesco to Murderers,rapists,pedophiles?

im just basically saying the public doesn't always know best therefore majority shouldn't always win.

[james130]

Don't think they should bring it back. However, if someone murdered a member of my family or raped a friend I could definately be swayed.
I just don't think prisons should be: giving prisoners qualifications: letting them watch tv; eat nice food; have visitors etc...
If prison is to put people off comitting crimes then i t should be grotty and horrible.

[M X]

NO!

[Shaun]

I think people exaggerate prisons - there seems to be the image of them as little Travelodges with Playstations and swimming pools or something. I went to see my oldest brother a couple of times as a child and whilst he didn't tell me then, he told my mother, that he pretty much cried himself to sleep every night. It's put the fear of God into me, so I don't know what's with the "omg dem paedophiles got 3 meals todaiii" attitude.