[InOne]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I have to agree with Niamh on this one. Given that the female has deliberately gone to a place that has an age retriction beyond her years - she's gone out to deceive in the first instance - then agrees to sleep with the guy - gets caught (as has happened in real life), then she shouts rape.... therefore I totally accept that in most cases, sympathy would lie with the male in such circumstances. Anyone who didn't, would have to have a heart of stone.

I just think women are a lot better at emotionally manipulating than men.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by InOne

I just think women are a lot better at emotionally manipulating than men.

You make us out to be hard, calculating bitches though. I mean, I know it happens Joe but really, I don't think it happens as often as you're making out. Most girls/women are just normal and wouldn't dream of accusing someone of rape for no good reason.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You make us out to be hard, calculating bitches though. I mean, I know it happens Joe but really, I don't think it happens as often as you're making out. Most girls/women are just normal and wouldn't dream of accusing someone of rape for no good reason.

I always agree with you Niamh, as you say you know it happens,I think most who do accuse falsely for whatever reason,do eventually before charge or trial say they were wrong.

Sometimes though the damage is done then, once the Police start investigating a rape charge,they really usually go at it,the guy has to explain what is going on and he could lose his job and find hostility from others too until the accuser admits they were wrong.

I think very few do falsely accuse someone of rape but sadly one is even too many and I would throw every book imagineable at them for doing so.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I always agree with you Niamh, as you say you know it happens,I think most who do accuse falsely for whatever reason,do eventually before charge or trial say they were wrong.

Sometimes though the damage is done then, once the Police start investigating a rape charge,they really usually go at it,the guy has to explain what is going on and he could lose his job and find hostility from others too until the accuser admits they were wrong.

I think very few do falsely accuse someone of rape but sadly one is even too many and I would throw every book imagineable at them for doing so.

Oh yeah absolutely, It's an awful thing to do to anyone and their life can be destroyed because of it but on the flip side I would imagine that there are a hell of lot more cases where a girl is actually raped but loses the case because it boils down to her word against his and can't prove it. And many more cases again where it's not even reported to the police because the girl is too afraid or embarrassed by it.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by InOne

I just think women are a lot better at emotionally manipulating than men.

for every manipulating woman InOne, believe me, there's equally a manipulating man to balance the figures out.

Take it from one femae speaking from experience of meeting enough of them.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

for every manipulating woman InOne, believe me, there's equally a manipulating man to balance the figures out.

Take it from one femae speaking from experience of meeting enough of them.

absolutely, people are individuals, there's good and evil on both sides.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

absolutely, people are individuals, there's good and evil on both sides.

Yes, totally. I fail to get this 'all men are bad' / 'all women are bad' thought process and anyone who has this idea, isn't in a position to make any objective comment on either side.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Yes, totally. I fail to get this 'all men are bad' / 'all women are bad' thought process and anyone who has this idea, isn't in a position to make any objective comment on either side.

I havn't heard anyone say al women/men are bad. so where are you getting this from? What people have saidis that there is a power IMBALANCE.

We live in a patriarchal society, where str8 white men are a tiny minority, but they have all the power. They hold the MAJORITY of positions of power. This is why the majority of women who are raped do not report their rapes, and also why a majority of reported rapes result in the rapist getting off/exonerated despite their guilt.

This is why in court, the final verdict is often "not guilty" as oppossed to "innocent". Just cause someone is found "not guilty" in court, does not mean they are innocent.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I havn't heard anyone say al women/men are bad. so where are you getting this from? What people have saidis that there is a power IMBALANCE.

We live in a patriarchal society, where str8 white men are a tiny minority, but they have all the power. They hold the MAJORITY of positions of power. This is why the majority of women who are raped do not report their rapes, and also why a majority of reported rapes result in the rapist getting off/exonerated despite their guilt.

This is why in court, the final verdict is often "not guilty" as oppossed to "innocent". Just cause someone is found "not guilty" in court, does not mean they are innocent.

I'm not getting it from anywhere,because I didn't say that -I put the term in apostrophes (') and not in inverted commas (") - the latter would indicate it was a direct word for word quote - which is clearly was not. If you read the posts carefully, a few posts ago and the subsequent posts thereafter - it will make sense. Neither did I state that anyone said there was a power imbalance. I merely gave my own thoughts. I did not state anything as hard fact.

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Yes, totally. I fail to get this 'all men are bad' / 'all women are bad' thought process and anyone who has this idea, isn't in a position to make any objective comment on either side.

As for your comment that we live in a society whereby straight white men are a tiny minority. You will find you are incorrect, in society at large, you will find that the hetrosexual man is in the majority.

I cannot answer for American courts, but unless there has been a substantial shift in terminology in English courts: jury will find the accused either guilty or not guilty - I don't believe 'innocent' is a term used for final delivery of the jury's verdict - but if that has changed in British Courts, I'll be happy to be updated and corrected, if things have altered.

*Scottish courts used to use the terms, Proven/Not Proven/Not Guilty" - thought in recent years there has been much debate over the 'Not Proven' verdict (and may have been dropped?)