[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by lostalex

You condemn fat people. but how many "average" weight people also have high blood pressure, and or cancer, or a myraid of other diseases from how they eat, that also burden the NHS?? BUt yu are targetting fat epople.

It's only because they look different. it's just like racism.

Study after study shows that people can be unhealthy but look "normal".

You arn't paying attention.

Your argument is that fat people cost you money, well so does everyone else,. and looking "fat" does not make you unhealthy.

this is turning ugly, so i'm not going to continue for much longer, but the fact is, this is about demonizing people because you don't like how they look. period, end of sentence. No different to racism.

No one here is 'targeting' them. We are discussing our beliefs towards it. And it is different to racism as one can easily change it. No one can change their race but people can change their size, ergo not in the realms or same category as racism.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by CharlieO

No one here is 'targeting' them. We are discussing our beliefs towards it. And it is different to racism as one can easily change it. No one can change their race but people can change their size, ergo not in the realms or same category as racism.

ummm,. no that's not true at all. Anyone with any knowledge at all would know that that is complete crap to say that it's EASY to change your size. I have several members of my family that suffer from obesity, and it's no different to addiction.

The fact that you can say it's EASY to change it is complete and utter crap. IN fact it's easier to have your skin bleached than it is to over come obesity, so your statement is crap.


Ask any medical professional how easy it is to overcome obesity. Educate yourself plz.

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by lostalex

ummm,. no that's not true at all. Anyone with any knowledge at all would know that that is complete crap to say that it's EASY to change your size. I have several members of my family that suffer from obesity, and it's no different to addiction.

The fact that you can say it's EASY to change it is complete and euttewr crap. IN fact it's easier to have your skin bleached than it is to over come obesity, so your statement is crap.


Ask any medical professional how easy it is to overcome obesity. Educate yourself plz.

Excuse me. It is impossible to change your race. We are not talking skin colour, colour does not change race and its rather ignorant that you think it does. You clearly are narrow minded and thinking of just white and black, what about asians (the majority of people on the world are asian and you disregard them as a race?). Overcoming obesity is easy in comparison to changing race. All it takes is will power and determination, everyone possesses it but some just can't be bothered.

And I am sure you would tell a drug addict to go to rehab, so why not send these so called people with 'addictions' to a fat camp?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by CharlieO

Excuse me. It is impossible to change your race. We are not talking skin colour, colour does not change race and its rather ignorant that you think it does. You clearly are narrow minded and thinking of just white and black, what about asians (the majority of people on the world are asian and you disregard them as a race?). Overcoming obesity is easy in comparison to changing race. All it takes is will power and determination, everyone possesses it but some just can't be bothered.

And I am sure you would tell a drug addict to go to rehab, so why not send these so called people with 'addictions' to a fat camp?

because once again, not all FAT poeople are unhealthy, have you not been paying attention? there are plenty of unhealthy skinny people! what don't you understand about that?

let me say it again, loud, so you can hear..


SKINNY PEOPLE CAN BE UNHEALTHY TOO, GET IT???

how many more times or ways do you need to be educated???

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by lostalex

because once again, not all FAT poeople are unhealthy, have you not been paying attention? there are plenty of unhealthy skinny people! what don't you understand about that?

let me say it again, loud, so you can hear..


SKINNY PEOPLE CAN BE UNHEALTHY TOO, GET IT???

how many more times or ways do you need to be educated???

Are you mental?

Not once in my thread does it mention skinny people or the fact fat people are all unhealthy. I was specifically referring to OBESE people.

[tmi]

The thing is people who are overweight are overweight because they eat too much . There is generally is an emotion that is attached to food, low self esteem, depressed etc. Smokers have things they attach fags to after eating, with a coffee, etc. Drinking booze is associated with socialising and can also be attached to people's emotions. The trouble with food is part of life and its is a lot harder to control than the latter two things has you have to eat to live, I think overweight people should cure the problem then they can cure the overeating.
As for Frank Skinner didnt he have his own addiction demons, pot and kettle spring to mind.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by tmi

The thing is people who are overweight are overweight because they eat too much . There is generally is an emotion that is attached to food, low self esteem, depressed etc. Smokers have things they attach fags to after ating, with a coffee, etc. Drinking booze is associated with socialisong and can also be attached to people's emotions. The trouble food is aprt of life and is a lot harder to control than the latter two things has you have to eat to live, I think overweight people should cure the problem then they can cure the overeating.
As for Frank Skinner didnt he have his own addiction demons, pot and kettle spring to mind.

Hi Tmi !!

That's fine...if there is some psychological reason for the addiction. But that is not the case for all fat/obese people.

Those who are fat / obsese get that way, not through addiction: but down to eating too much of the wrong things, and not enough exercise.

Pretending that being fat and obese people get that way due to only an addiction is complete denial of the truth: MOST fat people are fat due consuming more calories than they burn.

We've (you and I) have had this convo many times over and I know it's one that we end up agreeing to disagree.


To Vladimir - excellent job and well done indeed. You did something about it and all credit to you for that.

[tmi]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Hi Tmi !!

That's fine...if there is some psychological reason for the addiction. But that is not the case for all fat/obese people.

Those who are fat / obsese get that way, not through addiction: but down to eating too much of the wrong things, and not enough exercise.

Pretending that being fat and obese people get that way due to only an addiction is complete denial of the truth: MOST fat people are fat due consuming more calories than they burn.

We've (you and I) have had this convo many times over and I know it's one that we end up agreeing to disagree.


To Vladimir - excellent job and well done indeed. You did something about it and all credit to you for that.

Mid it is a vicious circle I suppose, I have weight issues I have no excuse. Then on the other hand I cant understand alcoholics or drug users addiction, I think maybe if you have had demons with whatever vice you will have empathy with, if you havent had an addiction of sorts it perhaps harder to empthaise if that make sense, I understand your arguement though, that is what called debate willing to listen to the otherside of the of the arguement. I do apologise for the spelling mistakes.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by tmi

Mid it is a vicious circle I suppose, I have weight issues I have no excuse. Then on the other hand I cant understand alcoholics or drug users addiction, I think maybe if you have had demons with whatever vice you will have empathy with, if you havent had an addiction of sorts it perhaps harder to empthaise if that make sense, I understand your arguement though, that is what called debate willing to listen to the otherside of the of the arguement. I do apologise for the spelling mistakes.

Both you and I know the reason for any weight issues you have - and as far as I recall and understood= the reasons were not due to you having no excuse but other reasons which I will not mention here as it is very personal to you.

If the reasons are not of an addictive nature - that's a different ball game altogether - falling into the medical category.

You say that weight gain can be an addiction, but cannot afford that same reasoning or sympathy that you apply to food addiction to those with other addictions?

That makes no sense whatsoever.

You also said:-

As for Frank Skinner didnt he have his own addiction demons, pot and kettle spring to mind.

Again, he was speaking about fat people who consume more calories than they burn up, who have no real desire to give a damn - not people with addictions. What that has to do with your reference above, is beyond me.

The majority of overweight people are overweight because they eat too much / eat the wrong things and exercise too little.

[tmi]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Both you and I know the reason for any weight issues you have - and as far as I recall and understood= the reasons were not due to you having no excuse but other reasons which I will not mention here as it is very personal to you.

If the reasons are not of an addictive nature - that's a different ball game altogether - falling into the medical category.

You say that weight gain can be an addiction, but cannot afford that same reasoning or sympathy that you apply to food addiction to those with other addictions?

That makes no sense whatsoever.

You also said:-



Again, he was speaking about fat people who consume more calories than they burn up, who have no real desire to give a damn - not people with addictions. What that has to do with your reference above, is beyond me.

The majority of overweight people are overweight because they eat too much / eat the wrong things and exercise too little.

I suppose I cant argue with the latter of your statement. I will just say the same story has before a woman had gastric band and she lost a shed load of weight but then because she was an addict she took up drinking and became a alcoholic. I think the reason behind addictions should be cured. Most people turn to food as a comfort, a bit like someone sucking they thumb, (what do you say to them cut of your thumb). My rule is if I dont want to eat crap dont buy it ,end of. I suppose everyone has some downfall, whether it be smoking, drinking , eating, they all can be cured with the right amount of will power and attainment, have you give up the fags Mid Little story I will share, a woman standing outside a hospital on the phone to a relative, she said ' yes they told me I had a bad asmatha attack and needed to give up the fags, ( she was smoking one at the time) but I told them I cant.' There is no such word has cant , is dont want to more like. A bit like a person who over indulges they know its wrong but cant, (in other words wont) stop doing it. I think I will take my leave now before I get thrown out. I know Im doing a u turn on my own arguement, just thought if people like having a cake two many or a fag too many is not they cant but wont stop it. People have choices and they choice to overeat yet some who do overeat have an addiction from some emotional or physical problems. Hey Mid I cant blame my medial problems on my eating it is my fault I like junk food. I have adjusted my bad habits and only allow to happen occasionally rather than a frequent occasion.