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Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

Let me correct myself, an awful strategic player. And you give Ozzy way too much credit your bias is bright as day in all these posts.



He was the only one to see it as a strategic game. Not only did he make the first alliance, but he had to work hard at keeping it together with Kelly befriending Pagong, Kelly and Sue fighting, etc. He had both Sue and Kelly thinking he was on their side of the argument and it paid off in the end when Kelly sided with Richard in the revote at F4 and Sue voted for Richard in the end. And what happened in All-Stars? He had a target. It's human nature, he's the first winner, of course he was going to have a target. Especially with someone as bitter as Jenna Lewis going on a rampage against the winners. Richard did a great job at trying to downplay his target though, probably the best compared to Tina, Ethan, and Jenna.



Yul definitely played the best game of his season, but he made a lot of potential mistakes and luck played a big factor in his win. Not to mention the whole controversy about possible production manipulation, but that's another story. Your argument that Ozzy deserved to win because he won Challenges is asinine, you really are showing that you don't understand how Survivor works in each post you make. As bold of a statement as it may be, Candice played a better game than Ozzy in Cook Islands.



Sandra may not have been able to take him out, but at the end of the day, she was far from the only one to target him. She was able to target him without appearing as a threat, something which is very difficult to pull off. She was able to work both sides of the Heroes and the Villains and truly know what was going on throughout the whole game. And she played to the Jury's tastes very well in the Final TC. Her game had strategic decisions, but they were under the radar, and since you only look at the big, show-off, "glitz and glamour" type of moves, you fail to recognize them and consider them inferior, which shows how little you know about the game itself.



You're so wrong it isn't even funny. Russell's game in HvV is so flawed and a big mess. His strategy was very sloppy and unorganized, his social game was horrendous (and as much as you don't think social game should matter and as much as you fail to think about social game, it matters. End of story), and played without being able to get any Jury votes. He had absolutely zero chance of winning the whole time, so how can you praise him for being a great player if he could never win?



at that coming from an Ozzytard, if you wanna talk about clouding judgment. The problem with you is, you fail to see all aspects of the game. You just look at what's on the surface. You care about who can pull off big moves and big blindsides, failing to look at the consequences and repercussions that come afterwards. You look at all competitive and strategic game and fail to look at the social aspect, which can make or break the game.

Since Hatch there have been players that are just simply better. If you replace Hatch with Cirrie, Pavatti, Boston Rob or any of the all-time Survivor greats, you get a similar result in Boneo if not better. Now on the other hand, if you replace Boston Rob, Cirrie etc. with Hatch on their seasons, do you honestly believe that Hatch would have dominated like they did and would have gotten as far?

Ozzy should have won, because he would have gotten to the final 3 regardless if he had Yul or the idol on his side. Yul wouldn’t have made it as far without Ozzy or the super powered idol. There is just no way, Candice played a better game than Ozzy, that’s just crazy talk. Especially, after she flipped to the other side.

Rachel had arguably the 2nd biggest target on her back. Porsche wasn’t a good strategic player or manipulator. Neither was Rachel, but she was the better of the two. Porsche half the time didn’t know what was going on. Danielle and Kalia were the brains behind their alliance. All Porsche did was gossip when they were together. I don’t consider Rachel to be a great player or anything like that. To me what really gives her the edge was the fact that she won more competitions than Porsche. Overall I think Shelly probably was the best player this season, even though I couldn’t stand her. If it wasn’t for the final duo twist, she probably would have made it to the final 2. She played a similar game to Dr. Will.

It doesn't matter what Sandra was trying to do undercover, because nothing she did worked out the way she wanted it to. Nothing. The only reason she made it to the final 3 was because Russell wanted to be up against two winners, because he thought for sure the jury was not going to vote for people that had already won Survivor. Sandra was pretty irrelevant.

What you are forgetting is if Russell had played any other way in Samoa, he would have been evicted before or after the merge. Remember his tribe was down 8- 4 at the merge. What he did to get the final 3 was very impressive. I just don’t understand how you ignore the strategic part of the game altogether. You want to reward ass kissing and how popular someone is with the tribe over strategic play. I just don’t respect that. Vote for who played the best game. Not for who was the most likeable or most popular.

You know something is wrong, when Rupert, Jerri or Colby would have won HvV if they were up against Pavatti and Russell in the final 3. No matter what, the jury was dead set on not letting those two win, because of personal feelings.