[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

yep... seriously.

If a person is saying that they do not believe a fm when said fm tells them what they read, where, and what was quoted: that is certainly referring to that said fm as not being truthful. A person is does not tell the truth, is a liar.

So yes. I am serious.

It is common practice on this forum for a person to show the source when claiming something about a HM as the truth. You know this I'm sure.

[halfacrown]

The trouble is it's so easy to believe that Jay could have a criminal record. Of course, we need to wait to find out what’s behind Nick Bateman’s post. What nobody can argue with is that Jay did several disgusting things in the BB house and I'm surprised they didn't all end up with pink eye.

[Suze]

Found the following plus the link, where a Jay fan said the following. Still looking for an article also, unless anyone can scan, copy and paste the aforementioned article on this thread if they have it?

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Found the following, a comment in
this link.

Melissa L M. It was a charge he recieved nothing major one of those little ones that dont make a HUGE difference to your life i love jay he;s awesome xx

Also in this link I am throwing in Jay's VT? just for good measure?.

About Jay

27 year old Jay loves the gym, the ladies and is a fan of the perma-tan.

He would cite his occupation as plumber, fitness instructor, DJ and barber. He stays in shape by working out six days a week which keeps him in good condition for hitting the clubs. Last year he was rated the best looking lad in Newcastle in a local competition. Jay names his mum as his “best pal”.

Jay’s dream job would be either a singer, rapper or presenter like his idol Keith Lemon. Currently, Jay MCs and freestyles at clubs in Newcastle every week.

He doesn’t tolerate bullies and says that a clean house will make him happy. He is excited about the tasks in the house and says he is up for anything.

Read more: here[/color]

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It is common practice on this forum for a person to show the source when claiming something about a HM as the truth. You know this I'm sure.

it's also common practise to be infracted when they are insulting other members by inferring that they are lying.

also: if that was the case, the vast majority of threads created by non Aaron fans would be completely dismissed then - because not one shred of evidence has been presented on that score - but I don't see fms going around inferring others are lying because they cannot prove something.

I've raised the point several times in respect of MTVN acknowledging that
cheddarcakes and what they read online (if it was online and not hard copy), that it may have been subsequently have been removed due to the libellous nature of the mag's original comment (bearing in mind, it pertained to a linked exgirlfriend). However I see there is absolutely no acknowledgement of such a very commonplace thing to happen.

A complete lack of being able to say, "I accept that might have happened, but I'd still rather see with my own eyes before I make judgement".

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

it's also common practise to be infracted when they are insulting other members by inferring that they are lying.

also: if that was the case, the vast majority of threads created by non Aaron fans would be completely dismissed then - because not one shred of evidence has been presented on that score - but I don't see fms going around inferring others are lying because they cannot prove something.

I've raised the point several times in respect of MTVN acknowledging that
cheddarcakes and what they read online (if it was online and not hard copy), that it may have been subsequently have been removed due to the libellous nature of the mag's original comment (bearing in mind, it pertained to a linked exgirlfriend). However I see there is absolutely no acknowledgement of such a very commonplace thing to happen.

A complete lack of being able to say, "I accept that might have happened, but I'd still rather see with my own eyes before I make judgement".

So MTVN deserves to be infracted for looking for the source of a FMs claims regarding a HM? Is that what you're saying?

[Pyramid*]

Found the following, a comment in
this link.


Quote:
Melissa L M. It was a charge he recieved nothing major one of those little ones that dont make a HUGE difference to your life i love jay he;s awesome xx


I recall reading that a wee while ago when it was revealed he'd got kicked off the show.

Also his VT - the way he speak about women - shows the women he goes for: chicken fillets, fake tans, fake hair - deary me. No wonder he kept saying he'd never met a woman like Louise - at least her hair and her boobs were her own!

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So MTVN deserves to be infracted for looking for the source of a FMs claims regarding a HM? Is that what you're saying?

What I have said is very clear Niamh. If a poster is accusing someone of being a liar - because they have read something online that has subsequently been removed and they no now longer have access to it (whic we all KNOW happens all too often) - and the accusing fm fails to even acknowledge that - I'd say that was pretty insulting.

Whether MTVN is infracted or not is not my decision. This isn't a convo that I think should be taking place here either....but am doing so simply because you appear comfortable with it taking place on the forum.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

What I have said is very clear Niamh. If a poster is accusing someone of being a liar - because they have read something online that has subsequently been removed and they no now longer have access to it (whic we all KNOW happens all too often) - and the accusing fm fails to even acknowledge that - I'd say that was pretty insulting.

Whether MTVN is infracted or not is not my decision. This isn't a convo that I think should be taking place here either....but am doing so simply because you appear comfortable with it taking place on the forum.

You're just twisting it really, it's pretty obvious. You have no vaild point. But keep digging...

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by InOne

You're just twisting it really, it's pretty obvious. You have no vaild point. But keep digging...

Quelle surprise.

[MTVN]

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

What I have said is very clear Niamh. If a poster is accusing someone of being a liar - because they have read something online that has subsequently been removed and they no now longer have access to it (whic we all KNOW happens all too often) - and the accusing fm fails to even acknowledge that - I'd say that was pretty insulting.

Whether MTVN is infracted or not is not my decision. This isn't a convo that I think should be taking place here either....but am doing so simply because you appear comfortable with it taking place on the forum.

Yes, it is clear, you implied that MTVN called someone a liar and should be infracted when all he actually did was ask someone for the source of what they claimed. That's a reasonable request imo

In the future if you feel someone should be infracted maybe you should report it instead of bringing it on to the main boards

[InOne]

Originally Posted by MTVN

That reminded me of BB11 Nathan's "raincloud of doom" comment to Shabby

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by InOne

That reminded me of BB11 Nathan's "raincloud of doom" comment to Shabby

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yes, it is clear, you implied that MTVN called someone a liar and should be infracted when all he actually did was ask someone for the source of what they claimed. That's a reasonable request imo

In the future if you feel someone should be infracted maybe you should report it instead of bringing it on to the main boards

I will indeed. I will also ensure I do that also when MTVN next specifically targets one poster on a thread, yet doesn't address others who make very clear & worse accusations in a far more libellious manner and they choses to not take issue with the other posters, preferring instead to single out one person.


Now back on topic then.

Onwards and upwards.

what about the link that suze provided ..... with a Jay fan giving some info on his criminal record. any comment on that or is that going to be dismissed as heresay - especially seeing as it comes from a Jay fan.?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Originally Posted by InOne

That reminded me of BB11 Nathan's "raincloud of doom" comment to Shabby

How are either of these on topic gentlemen?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I will indeed. I will also ensure I do that also when MTVN next specifically targets one poster on a thread, yet doesn't address others who make very clear & worse accusations in a far more libellious manner and they choses to not take issue with the other posters, preferring instead to single out one person.


Now back on topic then.

Onwards and upwards.

what about the link that suze provided ..... with a Jay fan giving some info on his criminal record. any comment on that or is that going to be dismissed as heresay - especially seeing as it comes from a Jay fan.?

Splendid.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Suze

Found the following plus the link, where a Jay fan said the following. Still looking for an article also, unless anyone can scan, copy and paste the aforementioned article on this thread if they have it?

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Found the following, a comment in
this link.

Melissa L M. It was a charge he recieved nothing major one of those little ones that dont make a HUGE difference to your life i love jay he;s awesome xx

Just bringing this to the forefront: seeing as there is evidence here of an actual Jay fan 'confirming' his criminal past. If there was no truth to it, I see no reason why a Jay fan would put such a thing up -unless they were attempting to diffuse and dilute it as not making 'a HUGE difference'.

Wonders what it was? Assault and battery? Breaking and entry? Public affray?

[Mumbles]

I thought it was common knowledge that Jay had a criminal record he aquired taking the blame for something his ex-girlfriend had done, criminal damage in a pub if I rememebr rightly, from when it was orginally reported as the reason he was asked to leave Katie Price's show as he'd originally said he had no record. This was subsequently blamed on his dyslexia by his mum in a post she made on Twitter or Facebook. I don't have a link for this, but why would I make up such a story?

[Brother Leon]

If it's the criminal record he has admitted he has o e already. Big woop.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Mumbles

I thought it was common knowledge that Jay had a criminal record he aquired taking the blame for something his ex-girlfriend had done, criminal damage in a pub if I rememebr rightly, from when it was orginally reported as the reason he was asked to leave Katie Price's show as he'd originally said he had no record. This was subsequently blamed on his dyslexia by his mum in a post she made on Twitter or Facebook. I don't have a link for this, but why would I make up such a story?

Correct Mumbles. Mum blamed the dyslexia as the reason he ticked the wrong box on the KP show forms, (re criminal record). Pretty damned convenient that his dyslexia only kicked in on that one very crucial question eh.... Hell of a coincedence whichever way you look at it.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by King_Anton

If it's the criminal record he has admitted he has o e already. Big woop.

Actually, the issue is that some on here flatly refused to accept that Jay has a criminal record, and refused to accept other fums stating this to be the case. The issue was not surrounding what the crime was, or the severity of the crime: but that Jay has a criminal record - full stop.

[Marmalite]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Correct Mumbles. Mum blamed the dyslexia ad the reason he ticked the wrong box on the KP show forms, (re criminal record). Pretty damned convenient that his dyslexia only kicked in on that one very crucial question eh.... Hell of a coincedence whichever way you look at it.

Dyslexics can't read boxes???

Oh my.... that's a new one.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Marmalite

Dyslexics can't read boxes???

Oh my.... that's a new one.

'Allegedly'.

[delz]

Perhaps he got chucked off for shatting in Katie Prices freezer....

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

What I have said is very clear Niamh. If a poster is accusing someone of being a liar - because they have read something online that has subsequently been removed and they no now longer have access to it (whic we all KNOW happens all too often) - and the accusing fm fails to even acknowledge that - I'd say that was pretty insulting.

Whether MTVN is infracted or not is not my decision. This isn't a convo that I think should be taking place here either....but am doing so simply because you appear comfortable with it taking place on the forum.

I have to say that you take this forum way to serious.