[arista]

Originally Posted by Christmas Neeve

Oh good Idea Arista!

Thanks I voted.


I hope Jack is OK with this Extra Dimension to this Viral YouTube hit.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Snowball

aye right.

So we'll add tourettes to his list of problems.

How's the list doing ....so far he may have:-

Diabetes
Tourettes
Memory problems
Unable to seperate fact from fiction
Oh...and a grazed face (that may have happend on his walk home for all we know)

Any further advances people?

I dont think shasown meant that literally.

His point was more no matter what the circumstances...the bloke had no right to throw him off the train, especially as roughly as he did.

I may be wrong, but thats how it read to me.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Of course he did...he made a point of pretty much telling the other passengers that they should be pissed off by what he said to the lad

The vid is the perfect training tool? In what sense? Conflict management...is not escalating situations and then allowing a randomer to get involved.

He made no invite. Other passengers WERE moaning - didn't you hear them?

A training tool for 'What went wrong', 'How should this have been handled', 'What other options would have been available to the employee, "How it affects the Company in the public eye". So yes, a good example of a real live situation that occurred, being put to use for Training.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I dont think shasown meant that literally.

His point was more no matter what the circumstances...the bloke had no right to throw him off the train, especially as roughly as he did.

I may be wrong, but thats how it read to me.

I know he didn't mean it literally.....neither was I meaning it literally.

I was making the point that we could add a plethora of 'things wrong' with the yob, in his defence, if we were so inclined.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Snowball

He made no invite. Other passengers WERE moaning - didn't you hear them?

A training tool for 'What went wrong', 'How should this have been handled', 'What other options would have been available to the employee, "How it affects the Company in the public eye". So yes, a good example of a real live situation that occurred, being put to use for Training.

Yes I did hear them...but he encouraged it with what he was saying, when he SHOULD have been trying to diffuse it all...not wind people up more(with lies such as, we will stay here all day or whatever it was he said...when that wasnt even possible)

Ah I get you now. Yeah that could be done I suppose.

The conductor seriously needs to re-do his training though, if he had any to begin with.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Snowball

He made no invite. Other passengers WERE moaning - didn't you hear them?

A training tool for 'What went wrong', 'How should this have been handled', 'What other options would have been available to the employee, "How it affects the Company in the public eye". So yes, a good example of a real live situation that occurred, being put to use for Training.

There's a Mother with Young Children
suffering the Vile Punks F........ing

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Snowball

I know he didn't mean it literally.....neither was I meaning it literally.

I was making the point that we could add a plethora of 'things wrong' with the yob, in his defence, if we were so inclined.

A little bit like many hypothetical situations were brought into it in defense of the 'big man'? Including how it was no different to a bouncer doing their job, or that he could be an off duty copper?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yes I did hear them...but he encouraged it with what he was saying, when he SHOULD have been trying to diffuse it all...not wind people up more(with lies such as, we will stay here all day or whatever it was he said...when that wasnt even possible)

Ah I get you now. Yeah that could be done I suppose.

The conductor seriously needs to re-do his training though, if he had any to begin with.

I agree - there clearly is a need for retraining, I am not disputing that whatsoever.

But so too does the yob..... needs to be trained in how not to try to get free rides, how to be respectful and how to do as they are told when asked.

Originally Posted by Vicky.

A little bit like many hypothetical situations were brought into it in defense of the 'big man'? Including how it was no different to a bouncer doing their job, or that he could be an off duty copper?

A little bit like that exactly and I responding accordingly, with the very same flavour of 'non literal' post.

[Omah]

The Big Man was right to throw the little man off the train

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Snowball

I agree - there clearly is a need for retraining, I am not disputing that whatsoever.

But so too does the yob..... needs to be trained in how not to try to get free rides, how to be respectful and how to do as they are told when asked.

We are on the same page then

Except, of course, for the whole 'big man' part

[Niamh.]

lmao at the guy being referred to as The Big man

[Pyramid*]

Okay...here's a question.

When the big man asks the conductor, "Do you want him off"...... if the conductor had said "I need to phone security"..... I suspect the outcome would have been exactly the same.

The big man would most probably have taken the matter out of the conductor's hands and did what he did anyway.

Would the conductor phoning for security have made any REAL difference, given that passengers were already being held up, already becoming impatient with the abusive little yob?

I don't think it would have made one iota of difference - I believe the same thing would have happened.

[MTVN]

The big man himself

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Snowball

Okay...here's a question.

When the big man asks the conductor, "Do you want him off"...... if the conductor had said "I need to phone security"..... I suspect the outcome would have been exactly the same.

The big man would most probably have taken the matter out of the conductor's hands and did what he did anyway.

Would the conductor phoning for security have made any REAL difference, given that passengers were already being held up, already becoming impatient with the abusive little yob?

I don't think it would have made one iota of difference - I believe the same thing would have happened.

Well, if the Conductor had said, no sit down sir, I'll call the police but The Big Man threw him off anyway, then I would imagine, we would only be sitting here complaining about what the Big Man did and not the conductor

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Snowball

Okay...here's a question.

When the big man asks the conductor, "Do you want him off"...... if the conductor had said "I need to phone security"..... I suspect the outcome would have been exactly the same.

The big man would most probably have taken the matter out of the conductor's hands and did what he did anyway.

Would the conductor phoning for security have made any REAL difference, given that passengers were already being held up, already becoming impatient with the abusive little yob?

I don't think it would have made one iota of difference - I believe the same thing would have happened.

Why do you think that? After all the man was apparently just trying to help the conductor...surely if this was the case he would have respected his wishes...no?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Christmas Neeve

Well, if the Conductor had said, no sit down sir, I'll call the police but The Big Man threw him off anyway, then I would imagine, we would only be sitting here complaining about what the Big Man did and not the conductor

Yup, good point.

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

The big man himself

Yes Worldwide Hero


I bet he goes on Yank TV
for a exclusive fee

[Roy Mars III]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Worldwide Hero


I bet he goes on Yank TV
for a exclusive fee

Fox News would love him

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Omah

Actually it is .....

Pity you didnt read the whole of the wiki article you posted. (subtle hint there)

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

We are on the same page then

Except, of course, for the whole 'big man' part

Partly;........

Originally Posted by Christmas Neeve

lmao at the guy being referred to as The Big man

or should that be PTL .... nah, it's definately a real LOL. !!

I think a bit of humour injection was needed on this thread - cool it down a wee bit as it's so easy to get overheated but it's been a great debate when all is said and done.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Christmas Neeve

Well, if the Conductor had said, no sit down sir, I'll call the police but The Big Man threw him off anyway, then I would imagine, we would only be sitting here complaining about what the Big Man did and not the conductor

It would have taken the conductor out of the equation for sure but
I wouldn't be complaining about the Big Man... I still think he did what was needed to be done.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Snowball

It would have taken the conductor out of the equation for sure but
I wouldn't be complaining about the Big Man... I still think he did what was needed to be done.

Yes it needed to be done - morally, for both yobs education and also for the benefit of all on that train and any other service that may have been delayed.

Legally however it shouldnt have been done. Its interesting to note that if you listen to the video, a lady is heard commenting quite close to the end "there was no need for that"

But the real interesting comment I noted in the Daily Record story was what the person videoing the incident is said to have said.

Teacher Ian Hems, who filmed the incident on his phone, said the Big Man told him: “If I end up in jail, you’ve got to comeand bring me a bag of pickled onion Monster Munch.”

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/sc...6908-23631110/

Sort of an admission its probably against the law what I am going to do now but sod it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Snowball

It would have taken the conductor out of the equation for sure but
I wouldn't be complaining about the Big Man... I still think he did what was needed to be done.

It may have needed to be done, but not be another passenger, that's the point, he had absolutely no right to put his hands on that boy.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Why do you think that? After all the man was apparently just trying to help the conductor...surely if this was the case he would have respected his wishes...no?

Not so, I said if the conductor explained that he would have to call security (I made no reference to the conductor telling the big man NO I do not want him off.....).

The conductor replying with "I need to call security" is merely a statement that gives no indication as to whether he wants the yob 'off the train' or not - it's a comment that makes his position clear that he has to call security.

Such wording would take the heat off the conductor (boom boom) - but if the Big Man wished to take matters into his own hands - he has not disrespected anyone.

Unfortunately, the conductor replied to a closed question - though in fairness: given the circumstances and that he had a trai full of passengers being held up: I feel for the conductor on this one. Who does he accomodate: a carriage full of paying passengers who are being held up for no good reason: or a little fare dodging gobshi*te?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Christmas Neeve

It may have needed to be done, but not be another passenger, that's the point, he had absolutely no right to put his hands on that boy.

I really wish people would stop referring to this student as a boy.

He is 19. He is an adult. He acted like a petulant spoiled little boy wanting his own way and his childish manner and behaviour was dealt with in an appropriate manner, by an adult. IMO of course, though I am sure you will not agree which is fair does.