[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Every industry on Earth exploits sex, not just the sex industry.

There's a difference between sex references and having sex with dirty old man for money and a career. They are no better than street walkers. Dirty, horrid little sluts. And that goes for all of these "bunnies".

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

There's a difference between sex references and having sex with dirty old man for money and a career. They are no better than street walkers. Dirty, horrid little sluts. And that goes for all of these "bunnies".

They didn't have sex with Hef. he's an 80 y/o man and that Kystral Harris was very possessive of him while the twins were in the mansion. They never had sex with Hef.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

They didn't have sex with Hef.

Yeah, sure they didn't.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Yeah, sure they didn't.

And even if they did, you think women don't have sex with their bosses in other industries to get ahead?? REALLY?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

And even if they did, you think women don't have sex with their bosses in other industries to get ahead?? REALLY?

Where on earth did I say that?

You're taking the discussion off course (again). The last time I checked we are discussing Karissa and Kristina and the Playboy bunnies, not Julie from Manchester shagging the owner of the Kwik-E-Mart.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

And even if they did, you think women don't have sex with their bosses in other industries to get ahead?? REALLY?

Sleeping with Hef is less shameful then having an affair with your husbands brother for 8 years imo

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Sleeping with Hef is less shameful then having an affair with your husbands brother for 8 years imo

Morally, I would agree.

[Bojangles]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Sleeping with Hef is less shameful then having an affair with your husbands brother for 8 years imo

Sleeping is the operative word when talking about the twins.
Not so in the case of Natasha.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Sleeping with Hef is less shameful then having an affair with your husbands brother for 8 years imo

For sure. The twins don't seem like they are desperate for male attention at all, they seem to be very in control of their own sexuality, and don't let men get away with any BS.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

There's a difference between sex references and having sex with dirty old man for money and a career. They are no better than street walkers. Dirty, horrid little sluts. And that goes for all of these "bunnies".

And there lies the crux of my argument.

You believe that women should be d*mned for a preconceived notion of what they are like or what they might have done - rather than what they are and what they've actually done.

In your mind they are guilty, therefore they are dirt - your words - and they should remember their place in life. And so you start the witch hunt...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by kefln

And there lies the crux of my argument.

You believe that women should be d*mned for a preconceived notion of what they are like or what they might have done - rather than what they are and what they've actually done.

In your mind they are guilty, therefore they are dirt - your words - and they should remember their place in life. And so you start the witch hunt...

Remember their place in life? What do you mean?

I'm not saying they should be living on the streets or have no right to anything but I don't like the arrogant attitude that they are anything but people that have to stoop to what they do to earn money. And doing what they do to earn money isn't, in my eyes, respectable. In my eyes their job (not modelling in general) as Playboy bunnies shows a lack of self respect.
This is mirrored in the lack of respect people like Frankie and Kirk seem to show them.

I'm not saying they should be vilified for their life choice at random, I'm saying they have a delusional sense of their own worth. When, in practise, they have no more worth than a street walker doing what they do.

Again, stop bringing up this "girl power" notion that I think all girls who dress provocatively are sluts or have casual sex or whatever.

I'm basing this judgement of Karissa and Kristina solely on the actions of Karissa and Kristina. Sleeping with Hugh Hefner may be speculation on my part but the other 90% of the Playboy bunny role they have fulfilled for all to see. Sex tapes and all.


You keep bringing up the crux of your argument that I'm slating the female gender for wearing skimpy clothes or having sex. I'm not. I'm giving an opinion solely on Karissa and Kristina (as is the point of the thread) based on the job of a Playboy bunny and what they have actually done.

I'm not sitting here presuming that Karissa and Kristina are a pair of sluts because they wear a certain skirt or a top but because of the job they have stooped to, to earn money. If anything, they don't say a lot for feminism.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Remember their place in life? What do you mean?

I'm not saying they should be living on the streets or have no right to anything but I don't like the arrogant attitude that they are anything but people that have to stoop to what they do to earn money. And doing what they do to earn money isn't, in my eyes, respectable. In my eyes their job (not modelling in general) as Playboy bunnies shows a lack of self respect.
This is mirrored in the lack of respect people like Frankie and Kirk seem to show them.

I'm not saying they should be vilified for their life choice at random, I'm saying they have a delusional sense of their own worth. When, in practise, they have no more worth than a street walker doing what they do.

Again, stop bringing up this "girl power" notion that I think all girls who dress provocatively are sluts or have casual sex or whatever.

I'm basing this judgement of Karissa and Kristina solely on the actions of Karissa and Kristina. Sleeping with Hugh Hefner may be speculation on my part but the other 90% of the Playboy bunny role they have fulfilled for all to see. Sex tapes and all.


You keep bringing up the crux of your argument that I'm slating the female gender for wearing skimpy clothes or having sex. I'm not. I'm giving an opinion solely on Karissa and Kristina (as is the point of the thread) based on the job of a Playboy bunny and what they have actually done.

I'm not sitting here presuming that Karissa and Kristina are a pair of sluts because they wear a certain skirt or a top but because of the job they have stooped to, to earn money. If anything, they don't say a lot for feminism.

So.. what's your point, that they wouldn't win Moral Big Brother?

Edit - never mind, I see what you're saying now, that they're too full of self-importance considering their profession?

[kefln]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Remember their place in life? What do you mean?

I'm not saying they should be living on the streets or have no right to anything but I don't like the arrogant attitude that they are anything but people that have to stoop to what they do to earn money. And doing what they do to earn money isn't, in my eyes, respectable. In my eyes their job (not modelling in general) as Playboy bunnies shows a lack of self respect.
This is mirrored in the lack of respect people like Frankie and Kirk seem to show them.

I'm not saying they should be vilified for their life choice at random, I'm saying they have a delusional sense of their own worth. When, in practise, they have no more worth than a street walker doing what they do.

Again, stop bringing up this "girl power" notion that I think all girls who dress provocatively are sluts or have casual sex or whatever.

I'm basing this judgement of Karissa and Kristina solely on the actions of Karissa and Kristina. Sleeping with Hugh Hefner may be speculation on my part but the other 90% of the Playboy bunny role they have fulfilled for all to see. Sex tapes and all.


You keep bringing up the crux of your argument that I'm slating the female gender for wearing skimpy clothes or having sex. I'm not. I'm giving an opinion solely on Karissa and Kristina (as is the point of the thread) based on the job of a Playboy bunny and what they have actually done.

I'm not sitting here presuming that Karissa and Kristina are a pair of sluts because they wear a certain skirt or a top but because of the job they have stooped to, to earn money. If anything, they don't say a lot for feminism.

I mentioned “female power” once, just once. Yet you have continuously attacked the twins, calling them prostitutes, sluts, dirt, soulless. That they were on a sex rota, that they “earn their money from the wanking Frank Cocozza's of this world” therefore they should put up with whatever is said to them.

Now you are saying that maybe they didn’t sleep around, but some of the Playboy girls have, therefore they all should be tarred with the same brush! Which is a horrible generalisation, no matter which way you swing it.

Originally Posted by 08marsh

I'm giving an opinion solely on Karissa and Kristina (as is the point of the thread) based on the job of a Playboy bunny and what they have actually done.

No. You are giving an opinion on what you believe Karissa and Kristina may have done, or haven’t done, cause you aren’t really sure. But you are pretty sure that some of the people that they may have met in the past could have done. Therefore, in your own words, the twins are “Dirty, horrid little sluts”.

And this thread is about the twins being arrogant, which is all down to interpretation and everyone will have a different opinion on that. However calling them prostitutes and sluts just because you don’t like their career choice…

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by kefln

I mentioned “female power” once, just once. Yet you have continuously attacked the twins, calling them prostitutes, sluts, dirt, soulless. That they were on a sex rota, that they “earn their money from the wanking Frank Cocozza's of this world” therefore they should put up with whatever is said to them.

Now you are saying that maybe they didn’t sleep around, but some of the Playboy girls have, therefore they all should be tarred with the same brush! Which is a horrible generalisation, no matter which way you swing it.



No. You are giving an opinion on what you believe Karissa and Kristina may have done, or haven’t done, cause you aren’t really sure. But you are pretty sure that some of the people that they may have met in the past could have done. Therefore, in your own words, the twins are “Dirty, horrid little sluts”.

And this thread is about the twins being arrogant, which is all down to interpretation and everyone will have a different opinion on that. However calling them prostitutes and sluts just because you don’t like their career choice…

I'm not wasting time explaining again, everything is in my previous posts.

I said I'm judging them on what they've done.
Everything they have done 100% regardless of sleeping with Hugh Hefner makes them slutty. Gaining publicity (another FACT) with sex tapes.

This is largely out of proportion with their high sense of their own worth as though the "pervy" likes of Frankie and Kirk are beneath them and they deserve more respect. If they wanted respect without being sexualised then they wouldn't sexually objectify themselves for a living, and disrespect themselves.

This is a direct response to the thread's topic about their arrogance and attitude. Do not tell me how I'm generalising about promiscuous women, or making assumptions about rape victims. That's tangent to the discussion and the opposite of what I said.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

I'm not wasting time explaining again, everything is in my previous posts.

I said I'm judging them on what they've done.

But most of what you have said has been to accuse them of being prostitutes...not what they have done...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by kefln

But most of what you have said has been to accuse them of being prostitutes...not what they have done...

No. I compared them to prostitutes and said their profession, these nude centrefolds and all the rest of it are of no higher respect than a prostitute. Posing nude, all the jobs that go along with being a playmate is a fact and what they HAVE DONE. You can't dispute that. These facts coupled with their attitude as though they're worth more than being objectified screams contradiction and is where my issue comes from. So, to address the thread topic they are delusional and arrogant.

And my own personal suspicion of them sleeping with Hugh Hefner like most of the playmates do makes the ones that do practical prostitutes.

And yes, before you go crazy, that is my opinion. I've said it a dozen times so we'll move on now.