Originally Posted by jedward fever

I don't get why Saudi Arabia is so backwards? and to answer Spitfire we don't have the backward and insane laws that the Middle East have,that's why they can't get on our case as much.

It's because Islam is still a young religion, in relative terms, and isn't quite secure with itself yet. They're still in their dark ages period, that Christianity went through.

Islam needs an enlightenment movement, to switch the Koran from the unalterable word of god, to some allegorical stories, and metaphorical stories like the bible.

The Abraham religions have all gone through this. Judaism wanted to kill everyone for a while, then Christianity did too. We need some brave Muslim scholars to stand up and denounce this kind of behaviour, and these laws, but we'll just have to wait it out, I'm afraid.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

It's because Islam is still a young religion, in relative terms, and isn't quite secure with itself yet. They're still in their dark ages period, that Christianity went through.

Islam needs an enlightenment movement, to switch the Koran from the unalterable word of god, to some allegorical stories, and metaphorical stories like the bible.

The Abraham religions have all gone through this. Judaism wanted to kill everyone for a while, then Christianity did too. We need some brave Muslim scholars to stand up and denounce this kind of behaviour, and these laws, but we'll just have to wait it out, I'm afraid.

i dont think you should purely pin the blame on Islam. E.g. Islam does allow equality and women are regarded as the jewels of the Earth. However some of these nations exaggerate their laws a bit too much, like no women being allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia - Islam does not permit that.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Salman!

i dont think you should purely pin the blame on Islam. E.g. Islam does allow equality and women are regarded as the jewels of the Earth. However some of these nations exaggerate their laws a bit too much, like no women being allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia - Islam does not permit that.

Exactly Salman.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Salman!

i dont think you should purely pin the blame on Islam. E.g. Islam does allow equality and women are regarded as the jewels of the Earth. However some of these nations exaggerate their laws a bit too much, like no women being allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia - Islam does not permit that.

The permitting and non permitting depends who is interpreting the Qur'an and the Hadith etc.

Originally Posted by Salman!

i dont think you should purely pin the blame on Islam. E.g. Islam does allow equality and women are regarded as the jewels of the Earth. However some of these nations exaggerate their laws a bit too much, like no women being allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia - Islam does not permit that.

Lets not go overboard here. Islam is not a woman-friendly religion at it's core. Admittedly, for the time it was invented (and I use invented from my own view point), it improved womens rights when comparing it to Judaism and Christianity.

But you are incorrect, that Islam is religion that treats the sexes as equals. You should read some Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who is both a woman, and an apostate, and now has to live in fear for her life.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

It's because Islam is still a young religion, in relative terms, and isn't quite secure with itself yet. They're still in their dark ages period, that Christianity went through.
Islam needs an enlightenment movement, to switch the Koran from the unalterable word of god, to some allegorical stories, and metaphorical stories like the bible.

The Abraham religions have all gone through this. Judaism wanted to kill everyone for a while, then Christianity did too. We need some brave Muslim scholars to stand up and denounce this kind of behaviour, and these laws, but we'll just have to wait it out, I'm afraid.

Is that you Pat?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by InOne

Is that you Pat?

Butcher? She died last week.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Butcher? She died last week.

Pat? Don't get the reference.