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Livia · 19-06-2012, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by alex_front2

............... which is an ironic racism by white highly educated middle class people (as opposed to the stereotype skin head racist). A good example is when Prince Harry introduced his friend as 'My P*ki friend'

That is not a good example at all. To understand the interaction between Harry and the Asian bloke in question, you'd have to understand military humour. The Asian soldier was not in the least offended, and is a good Friend of Harry's. Other people became outraged on his behalf quite unnecessarily and now I see people are misquoting the incident as "a good example" of racism.

To me, racism - or as lostalex more accurately calls it, prejudice, like many other things, is all about intent. If you intend to hurt, offend or harrass someone, then it's obviously not on. If you're using a term to a friend in an innocent manner - quoting song lyrics for example as Emily Parr in BB did - then it is clearly not racism, even though Charley did her best to pretend to be outraged.

alex_front2 · 19-06-2012, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

That is not a good example at all. To understand the interaction between Harry and the Asian bloke in question, you'd have to understand military humour. The Asian soldier was not in the least offended, and is a good Friend of Harry's. Other people became outraged on his behalf quite unnecessarily and now I see people are misquoting the incident as "a good example" of racism.

But Harry's friends may not mind but other Asian people will do. And the implication is that people of Pakistani/ Asian origin are worth joking about unlike 'superior white people' who are rarely the but of jokes. Ie non-white people should shut the fack up about jokes know their place. Woe betide if anyone makes a jokes about whites as they are the superior race. Again i think your thinking is a bit offensive tbh.

Livia · 19-06-2012, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by alex_front2

But Harry's friends may not mind but other Asian people will do. And the implication is that people of Pakistani/ Asian origin are worth joking about unlike 'superior white people' who are rarely the but of jokes.

If other people become outraged because of a reflected indignation, they should seriously pull themselves up. Harry meant no disrespect to his friend and if other people got insulted because they happen to share a skin colour, then they are overthinking it. Of course, you don't mention the bit on the same programme where the rest of his mates were ripping the piss out of Harry because he's ginger. Should ginger people everywhere be outraged because of this? No... because that'd just be daft.

Niamh. · 19-06-2012, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

If other people become outraged because of a reflected indignation, they should seriously pull themselves up. Harry meant no disrespect to his friend and if other people got insulted because they happen to share a skin colour, then they are overthinking it. Of course, you don't mention the bit on the same programme where the rest of his mates were ripping the piss out of Harry because he's ginger. Should ginger people everywhere be outraged because of this? No... because that'd just be daft.

You wait till Marc hears about this

alex_front2 · 19-06-2012, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

If other people become outraged because of a reflected indignation, they should seriously pull themselves up. Harry meant no disrespect to his friend and if other people got insulted because they happen to share a skin colour, then they are overthinking it. Of course, you don't mention the bit on the same programme where the rest of his mates were ripping the piss out of Harry because he's ginger. Should ginger people everywhere be outraged because of this? No... because that'd just be daft.

Harry thinks he's superior. Ripping the p*ss out of hair colour isn't racist as its not a defining white quality. Its prejuduced against people of this hair colour. Not whites.

Refering to people was P**i confers a certain superiority complex.

Kizzy · 19-06-2012, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

That is not a good example at all. To understand the interaction between Harry and the Asian bloke in question, you'd have to understand military humour. The Asian soldier was not in the least offended, and is a good Friend of Harry's. Other people became outraged on his behalf quite unnecessarily and now I see people are misquoting the incident as "a good example" of racism.

To me, racism - or as lostalex more accurately calls it, prejudice, like many other things, is all about intent. If you intend to hurt, offend or harrass someone, then it's obviously not on. If you're using a term to a friend in an innocent manner - quoting song lyrics for example as Emily Parr in BB did - then it is clearly not racism, even though Charley did her best to pretend to be outraged.

I totally disagree, it matters not if he is in the military the P word should not be used...
How do you know he was not offended, it certainly is an offensive term?
It reminds me of the Made in Bradford C4 programme where the retired officer made a reference to past collegues, in which he admitted using this term.
How is one jokey uniformed banter and the other evidence of institutional racism?
Is is because one is a prince?

Livia · 19-06-2012, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kizzy

I totally disagree, it matters not if he is in the military the P word should not be used...
How do you know he was not offended, it certainly is an offensive term?
It reminds me of the Made in Bradford C4 programme where the retired officer made a reference to past collegues, in which he admitted using this term.
How is one jokey uniformed banter and the other evidence of institutional racism?
Is is because one is a prince?

I changed my mind, I don't want to discuss this or anything else -with you.