[Withano]

People only like him because he's an outsider! He's not very nice at all.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by BigBrother3232

People only like him because he's an outsider! He's not very nice at all.

nothing to do with him being "an outsider"I like him as a person

[robb]

Originally Posted by kistar

And to be true she does need putting in her place for sure , but she is not the only bitchy housemate , and she does have youth on her side, Luke A is 31 going on 104. he is much more subtle with his nastiness and I don't like that about him. I know Caroline can be a nightmare in my humble opinion she just needs a bit more life experience.

Don't like her, but she is an easy target now. The insiders are the equivalent of the living dead after last week's cheers/jeers revelations.
Sara and Luke A are simply reacting to the crowd reaction.
Strange last night though that when BB asked Luke A WHICH HOUSEMATE HE WOULD LIKE BACK IN THE HOUSE he said.....Victoria......what was THAT about???

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by robb

Don't like her, but she is an easy target now. The insiders are the equivalent of the living dead after last week's cheers/jeers revelations.
Sara and Luke A are simply reacting to the crowd reaction.
Strange last night though that when BB asked Luke A WHICH HOUSEMATE HE WOULD LIKE BACK IN THE HOUSE he said.....Victoria......what was THAT about???

I thought his reason for it was pretty explanatory

[brushstrokes101]

Originally Posted by Ellen

Agree, Caroline could not care less what Adam or Luke A do or think about her, by resorting to playing her games they just look has childish has her & for grown men at their age it is sad.

mmmmmmm... I think you'll find she cares very much, she realises that they along with Deanna, Sara and now maybe Scott see right through her. she is not some child just 'playing games' she is a disturbed woman who sets out to deliberatley annihalate people's characters ( behind there backs) and alienate them from the rest of the group this actually gives her great pleasure. (The incident with deanna and hairs on the table springs to mind) Lauren actually touched on it while she was in the house Caroline picks her victims week by week and then drops poison about them into the ears of other hms.Strangely enough she picks on people who are actually quite decent human beings which says a lot about her. I actually think caroline needs psychological help and that she's a very damaged young woman. Her antics are not those of someone having a laugh she really is a spiteful person who enjoys the discomfort of others.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by brushstrokes101

mmmmmmm... I think you'll find she cares very much, she realises that they along with Deanna, Sara and now maybe Scott see right through her. she is not some child just 'playing games' she is a disturbed woman who sets out to deliberatley annihalate people's characters ( behind there backs) and alienate them from the rest of the group this actually gives her great pleasure. (The incident with deanna and hairs on the table springs to mind) Lauren actually touched on it while she was in the house Caroline picks her victims week by week and then drops poison about them into the ears of other hms.Strangely enough she picks on people who are actually quite decent human beings which says a lot about her. I actually think caroline needs psychological help and that she's a very damaged young woman. Her antics are not those of someone having a laugh she really is a spiteful person who enjoys the discomfort of others.

Great post, spot on.

[Livia]

If I'd been in there and I'd heard the "Get Caroline Out!" chants I'd have been right up in her grill saying HahaHA! In! Your! Face! " . I think Luke was quite restrained.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

If I'd been in there and I'd heard the "Get Caroline Out!" chants I'd have been right up in her grill saying HahaHA! In! Your! Face! " . I think Luke was quite restrained.

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by brushstrokes101

mmmmmmm... I think you'll find she cares very much, she realises that they along with Deanna, Sara and now maybe Scott see right through her. she is not some child just 'playing games' she is a disturbed woman who sets out to deliberatley annihalate people's characters ( behind there backs) and alienate them from the rest of the group this actually gives her great pleasure. (The incident with deanna and hairs on the table springs to mind) Lauren actually touched on it while she was in the house Caroline picks her victims week by week and then drops poison about them into the ears of other hms.Strangely enough she picks on people who are actually quite decent human beings which says a lot about her. I actually think caroline needs psychological help and that she's a very damaged young woman. Her antics are not those of someone having a laugh she really is a spiteful person who enjoys the discomfort of others.

You make some valid points, fair enough but imo i dont believe she does care what they think about her.

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by Livia

If I'd been in there and I'd heard the "Get Caroline Out!" chants I'd have been right up in her grill saying HahaHA! In! Your! Face! " . I think Luke was quite restrained.

Would you have done a Shiovonne & used hand gesture's?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

If I'd been in there and I'd heard the "Get Caroline Out!" chants I'd have been right up in her grill saying HahaHA! In! Your! Face! " . I think Luke was quite restrained.

Me too !!!!!!! bouncing on sofas punching the air

[Jayson]

[kistar]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That seems pretty likely Chuff.



I disagree, in my own personal experience I've found if you let people get away with bad behaviour they'll keep on walking all over you, if you stand up for yourself and give back what you're getting from them, they tend to not treat you badly in future. It doesn't change them in general but it does make them treat you personally different because they know you won't be treated that way easily. I don't think people like Caroline learn from others being nice, that just makes them push boundaries even further.

What you're saying should be the way to change peoples perspectives but sadly it just doesn't work on most people.

Well if you have a victim mentality (not suggesting you do) I guess you imagine the world is against you and you have to fight your corner at all costs, in reality though everyone is dealing with themselves and in most cases I would say do things react a way because of their own insecurities and life experiences. If some one was treating you in a way you did not like and were able to approach them calmly and tell them it would be a very powerful affirmation of who you are . I was resolving problems this way from the age of 7 when I went to boarding school, and 9 times out of 10 you found that the problem was in your head and not real, we were taught to resolve by debate . Talk to the girl you think has problem with you, tell her how you she has made you feel and listen to what she has to say. it works you should try it .

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by kistar

Well if you have a victim mentality (not suggesting you do) I guess you imagine the world is against you and you have to fight your corner at all costs, in reality though everyone is dealing with themselves and in most cases I would say do things react a way because of their own insecurities and life experiences. If some one was treating you in a way you did not like and were able to approach them calmly and tell them it would be a very powerful affirmation of who you are . I was resolving problems this way from the age of 7 when I went to boarding school, and 9 times out of 10 you found that the problem was in your head and not real, we were taught to resolve by debate . Talk to the girl you think has problem with you, tell her how you she has made you feel and listen to what she has to say. it works you should try it .

Is this aimed at me ?

[kistar]

Whatever I hope Caroline stays tonight and I really hope Luke A goes and watches himself back doing all the things he says that he hates in other people especially Caroline.

[kistar]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Is this aimed at me ?

Really not aimed at any one , respect Chuff I would never be so awful as to post things aimed at any one in particular. it's just sharing experiences.

[WozMan]

Originally Posted by kistar

Right in front of Caroline , that wasn't very nice , the boy is a nasty bitter and twisted grandad who spends his whole day lying around bitching and smoking.

It's called karma deary... and it's a BITCH

Seriously though, if someone I was stuck living with 24-7 for months on end treated me with the vile contempt Caroline treats people with...

... I would have nothing but disdain for the girl. Luke A has never done anything TO Caroline except react somewhat to the vile way she treats him and people in the house in general. He has given up on her as a person and I don't blame him. If she had never developed a problem with him and his friends Lauren and Adam he would never of had a problem with her.

I would love to know how you would react in such an environment cause the BEST I could do is react the way the outsiders have to such constantly degrading, ostracizing behaviour.

As it is I am used to it now and do wish the girl the best of luck growing up when she gets out!!!

[WozMan]

Originally Posted by kistar

Well if you have a victim mentality (not suggesting you do) I guess you imagine the world is against you and you have to fight your corner at all costs, in reality though everyone is dealing with themselves and in most cases I would say do things react a way because of their own insecurities and life experiences. If some one was treating you in a way you did not like and were able to approach them calmly and tell them it would be a very powerful affirmation of who you are . I was resolving problems this way from the age of 7 when I went to boarding school, and 9 times out of 10 you found that the problem was in your head and not real, we were taught to resolve by debate . Talk to the girl you think has problem with you, tell her how you she has made you feel and listen to what she has to say. it works you should try it .

Actually yes, that is a very mature approach. I should apply it more in my own life

Obviously Luke A's reaction wasn't as skillful as this but not many people's are (myself included most of the time)

[Doogle]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The difference is that Luke A thinks he's better then Caroline, if he really was then he'd have risen above it but he didn't. He's just as bad as she is but he's more sly about it and a whole lot less entertaining.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by kistar

Right in front of Caroline , that wasn't very nice , the boy is a nasty bitter and twisted grandad who spends his whole day lying around bitching and smoking.

Do you think he touches little people like my nasty bitter and twisted grandad did?

[crumbling8]

Originally Posted by Kyleedlin_97

he says shes a bully and he acts all sweet but all the little things he does hes as bad as the rest!

Like what...?

[Knitting Nana]

Originally Posted by kistar

I didn't say she doesn't , I was talking about Luke A.

You were making a critisism of luke a whilst defending caroline who does pretty much the same thing, only worse. That's called hypocrisy.

[Tourmaline]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Caroline is childish and looking for a reaction, by playing her at her own game he's just shown himself to be just as bad rather then being seen as being better.

It takes a better person to rise above it then to resort to tit for tat.

Yes I agree. If Luke A was so incensed at Caroline for cheering Victoria's eviction then why didn't he pull her straight away and tell her it was rude rather than just sit there and say nothing?

[rayheartbliss]

this thread makes zero sense

oh and i cheered when she was getting booed

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by kistar

Right in front of Caroline , that wasn't very nice , the boy is a nasty bitter and twisted grandad who spends his whole day lying around bitching and smoking.

They WERE shouting 'Get Caroline out' gosh,they were loud enough,he told her the truth and you dislike him for that?LOL ,and do you really think she would not have done the same after all the times she celebrated,laughed and whooped when others were evicted.