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lostalex · 06-08-2012, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

Gun crime in the UK is significantly lower then the US. One incident in the UK does not change the fact that the US' gun laws are fatally flawed.

but violent crime in the UK is significantly higher than the US, hmmm.

Tom4784 · 06-08-2012, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

but violent crime in the UK is significantly higher than the US, hmmm.

That's a whole different kettle of fish, your original post referred to gun laws and how you insinuated that our gun laws were ineffective because of one incident which isn't true.

Accept that your latest attempt to slame the UK has fallen on it's arse and move on.

lostalex · 06-08-2012, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

That's a whole different kettle of fish, your original post referred to gun laws and how you insinuated that our gun laws were ineffective because of one incident which isn't true.

Accept that your latest attempt to slame the UK has fallen on it's arse and move on.

My latest attempt to slam the UK? so by your logic then, when you make comments about gun control laws in the Us are you attempting to slam the USA, is that right?

My point was your gun control laws don't prevent mass shootings in the UK, as this case clearly demonstrates.

And i don't appreciate your patronizing tone, don't tell me to "move on" as if you have the authority to tell me which threads i can and cannot comment on.

Patrick · 06-08-2012, 02:36 AM

Shotgun?

I could understand gangs having pistols, see that all the time. But a teenage gang having a shotgun? Damn.

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Originally Posted by lostalex

but violent crime in the UK is significantly higher than the US, hmmm.

Because the alcohol age of consumption if far lower than in the US - and like Dezzy said, that has nothing to do with this topic or your original argument.

Redway · 06-08-2012, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

but violent crime in the UK is significantly higher than the US, hmmm.

Kid, do you always have to do this? Mentioning that is only going to derail the topic at hand and turn it into a UK versus USA debate yet again.

Give it a rest.

lostalex · 06-08-2012, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Redway

Kid, do you always have to do this? Mentioning that is only going to derail the topic at hand and turn it into a UK versus USA debate yet again.

Give it a rest.

no, having people constantly saying that somehow the US gun laws are responsible for this type of thing turns it into a US/UK thing. I'm simply throweing it back in the faces of all those idiots that use these types of tragedies to make it a US/UK thing by talking about gun laws.

Every single story from the US get's a myriad of responses from brits who says.. well look, it's the gun laws that make the US have this kind of violence, i'm just pointing out the hypocrisy.

I'm not the one that needs to "give it a rest". I'm the one putting things into perspective.

Redway · 06-08-2012, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

no, having people constantly saying that somehow the US gun laws are responsible for this type of thing turns it into a US/UK thing. I'm simply throweing it back in the faces of all those idiots that use these types of tragedies to make it a US/UK thing by talking about gun laws.

Every single story from the US get's a myriad of responses from brits who says.. well look, it's the gun laws that make the US have this kind of violence, i'm just pointing out the hypocrisy.

I'm not the one that needs to "give it a rest". I'm the one putting things into perspective.

The UK has its problems. No one can deny that. The fact that people say that the UK has better rules than the USA in terms of guns - right or wrong it may be - absolutely does not mean that the UK is exempt from gun crime and anyone who thinks otherwise clearly needs to get an education.

lostalex · 06-08-2012, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Redway

The UK has its problems. No one can deny that. The fact that people say that the UK has better rules than the USA in terms of guns - right or wrong it may be - absolutely does not mean that the UK is exempt from gun crime and anyone who thinks otherwise clearly needs to get an education.

then we agree. fantastic.