[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...yside-19134894

Detectives are investigating the motive for the shootings, which happened in Akenside Street, Bootle, at 23:30 BST.

Three youths aged 17 and one aged 15 were treated for injuries which police said were not thought to be life-threatening.

Police said they were "open-minded" about whether it was a targeted attack.

Police were initially called out to reports that a 17-year-old male had been shot. A short time later three other teenagers sought medical attention for shotgun injuries.

Ch Supt Julie Cooke, of Merseyside Police, said: "This is a disgraceful act that has led to four young men receiving medical treatment for shotgun injuries... the consequences could have been much worse.

"The force, along with the community, will not tolerate the use of guns and the fear those who use them spread."

Police have cordoned off the area for forensic examinations and are checking CCTV as well as stepping up patrols.

Officers are also conducting searches of the area and conducting house-to-house enquiries.

I wonder what that was all about ?

[Kizzy]

I notice we now have a police 'force' not a police 'service' ...Must be a conservative government in power again....

[lostalex]

But i thought having strict gun control laws prevented this sort of thing?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by lostalex

But i thought having strict gun control laws prevented this sort of thing?

Gun crime in the UK is significantly lower then the US. One incident in the UK does not change the fact that the US' gun laws are fatally flawed.

[Locke.]

Just a few minutes walk from mine this, it's just territory and drug wars.. Well, attempted ones anyway, because they're only kids and too stupid to even realize what they're doing.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Gun crime in the UK is significantly lower then the US. One incident in the UK does not change the fact that the US' gun laws are fatally flawed.

but violent crime in the UK is significantly higher than the US, hmmm.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by lostalex

but violent crime in the UK is significantly higher than the US, hmmm.

That's a whole different kettle of fish, your original post referred to gun laws and how you insinuated that our gun laws were ineffective because of one incident which isn't true.

Accept that your latest attempt to slame the UK has fallen on it's arse and move on.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

That's a whole different kettle of fish, your original post referred to gun laws and how you insinuated that our gun laws were ineffective because of one incident which isn't true.

Accept that your latest attempt to slame the UK has fallen on it's arse and move on.

My latest attempt to slam the UK? so by your logic then, when you make comments about gun control laws in the Us are you attempting to slam the USA, is that right?

My point was your gun control laws don't prevent mass shootings in the UK, as this case clearly demonstrates.

And i don't appreciate your patronizing tone, don't tell me to "move on" as if you have the authority to tell me which threads i can and cannot comment on.

[Tom4784]

I'm slamming the American government for endangering it's people by not doing anything about it's flimsy gun laws. You're trying to score points by making a half assed point that one incident means our whole law system is in disarray. One that is hypocritical considering the fact you just made a post in the other thread accusing people of using tragedies to further their own agendas because you're doing the very same thing here.

[Patrick]

Shotgun?

I could understand gangs having pistols, see that all the time. But a teenage gang having a shotgun? Damn.

Originally Posted by lostalex

but violent crime in the UK is significantly higher than the US, hmmm.

Because the alcohol age of consumption if far lower than in the US - and like Dezzy said, that has nothing to do with this topic or your original argument.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'm slamming the American government for endangering it's people by not doing anything about it's flimsy gun laws. You're trying to score points by making a half assed point that one incident means our whole law system is in disarray. One that is hypocritical considering the fact you just made a post in the other thread accusing people of using tragedies to further their own agendas because you're doing the very same thing here.

score points with whom? unlike you i don't think this is a game, and i don't give a fook about slamming anyone. Obviously you seem to think this is some sort of UK vs US thing, which it is NOT. I'm simply pointing out that in the thread about the recent shootings in the US, half the posts are about gun control.

If you knew anything about me, you'd know that i am PRO-GUN CONTROL, but i find it distasteful and repulsive when advocates use specific tragedies, especially so soon afterwards, for the cause. And i also think it's very naive to think that making something illegal can prevent big tragedies. In the same way that making drugs illegal doesn't cure drug addiction.

Making laws is not a cure-all or panacea.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Omah

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...yside-19134894



I wonder what that was all about ?

From Todays Paper
its a Drug War.

[Locke.]

I had that exclusive 8 hours Arista, where is my credit?

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Locke.

I had that exclusive 8 hours Arista, where is my credit?

Credit where credit is due .....

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Detectives from Merseyside Police appealed for information and said they are treating the shooting as a targeted attack and believe it is linked to previous shootings in the Bootle area in recent days.

"It is understood that this incident is part of an ongoing feud between two rival gangs in the local area," a spokeswoman for the force said. "This type of incident and behaviour will not be tolerated and we can assure the community that Merseyside Police is committed to capturing those people responsible for these horrendous acts.

Police believe the victims may have been to a music event at the Albert Dock in Liverpool earlier in the day and then gone on to a house party in Seaforth, north Liverpool, with a group of young females, who police are keen to trace.

Officers are particularly keen to hear from anyone who may have seen anything suspicious in the area or spotted a group or groups of young people in the area armed with sticks or similar looking weapons.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Locke.

I had that exclusive 8 hours Arista, where is my credit?

Yes its a Drug War Zone.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by lostalex

but violent crime in the UK is significantly higher than the US, hmmm.

Kid, do you always have to do this? Mentioning that is only going to derail the topic at hand and turn it into a UK versus USA debate yet again.

Give it a rest.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Redway

Kid, do you always have to do this? Mentioning that is only going to derail the topic at hand and turn it into a UK versus USA debate yet again.

Give it a rest.

no, having people constantly saying that somehow the US gun laws are responsible for this type of thing turns it into a US/UK thing. I'm simply throweing it back in the faces of all those idiots that use these types of tragedies to make it a US/UK thing by talking about gun laws.

Every single story from the US get's a myriad of responses from brits who says.. well look, it's the gun laws that make the US have this kind of violence, i'm just pointing out the hypocrisy.

I'm not the one that needs to "give it a rest". I'm the one putting things into perspective.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by lostalex

no, having people constantly saying that somehow the US gun laws are responsible for this type of thing turns it into a US/UK thing. I'm simply throweing it back in the faces of all those idiots that use these types of tragedies to make it a US/UK thing by talking about gun laws.

Every single story from the US get's a myriad of responses from brits who says.. well look, it's the gun laws that make the US have this kind of violence, i'm just pointing out the hypocrisy.

I'm not the one that needs to "give it a rest". I'm the one putting things into perspective.

The UK has its problems. No one can deny that. The fact that people say that the UK has better rules than the USA in terms of guns - right or wrong it may be - absolutely does not mean that the UK is exempt from gun crime and anyone who thinks otherwise clearly needs to get an education.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Redway

The UK has its problems. No one can deny that. The fact that people say that the UK has better rules than the USA in terms of guns - right or wrong it may be - absolutely does not mean that the UK is exempt from gun crime and anyone who thinks otherwise clearly needs to get an education.

then we agree. fantastic.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by lostalex

then we agree. fantastic.

Glad to see that you agree to bettering your understanding on various topics.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Redway

Glad to see that you agree to bettering your understanding on various topics.

bettering my understanding? I agreed that the UK has plenty of problems and that gun laws have not solved any problems for the UK.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by lostalex

bettering my understanding? I agreed that the UK has plenty of problems and that gun laws have not solved any problems for the UK.

Believe me, gun crime is not the problem in the UK.

Your attitude is a problem. Along with your plethora of hypocritical traits and absurd, tedious and ill-informed statements.

One incident absolutely does not mean that our laws against gun use is in trouble, as has been said numerous times.

If you compare the amount of gun crime in the UK to the USA, you'll see there's no merit in your ridiculous and stupid argument.

Get a grip. And an education.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Redway

Believe me, gun crime is not the problem in the UK.

Your attitude is a problem. Along with your plethora of hypocritical traits and absurd, tedious and ill-informed statements.

One incident absolutely does not mean that our laws against gun use is in trouble, as has been said numerous times.

If you compare the amount of gun crime in the UK to the USA, you'll see there's no merit in your ridiculous and stupid argument.

Get a grip. And an education.

no deary, you need to educate yourself. You'd see that you are very off the mark. You are more interested in being right than being informed though. pity for you.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by lostalex

no deary, you need to educate yourself. You'd see that you are very off the mark. You are more interested in being right than being informed though. pity for you.

How can you be right without being informed of the situation?

Perhaps if you could explain to us why you think this why you're spouting all these statements we would understand you a bit more.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Redway

How can you be right without being informed of the situation?

Perhaps if you could explain to us why you think this why you're spouting all these statements we would understand you a bit more.

well i could repeat myself, or you could just pay more attention.