[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

So it's meant to be hard getting a job....???!!!
so please... someone care to explain to me why there are those in society who bleat on about it being so hard to get work - or work that pays well.... because from the evidence I've seen over the past few weeks: getting a new job is far from difficult.

This is the title of your thread and a quote from the OP.

Not being rude pyra but it does sound just a little smug and patronising.
Especially if like me you are a jobseeker who is not finding it at all easy.

My points have been valid since my opening post.


Or it is more that members are only happy to hear of bad luck stories - or are only delighted when bad things are happening to others?? They aren't wanting to hear or discuss the possibility that the world is not all a place of gloom and doom as far as job seeking goes: that jobs are there - that they can be got.



Your own situation may be reflecting negatively on your view Kiz - that's all I can say to you.

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Such an inspiration to us all, I see a Pride of Britain award in your future.

Thank you Dezzy. I know you wrote that without any hint of sarcasm, dig or attempt to have a rip at me.

Now.... anyone wanting to actually discuss the topic - and the areas which appear to have been guilded over - you know, the part about temporary work in the intermin - that part seems to be have bodyswerved in no small amount.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

My points have been valid since my opening post.


Or it is more that members are only happy to hear of bad luck stories - or are only delighted when bad things are happening to others?? They aren't wanting to hear or discuss the possibility that the world is not all a place of gloom and doom as far as job seeking goes: that jobs are there - that they can be got.



Your own situation may be reflecting negatively on your view Kiz - that's all I can say to you.



Thank you Dezzy. I know you wrote that without any hint of sarcasm, dig or attempt to have a rip at me.

Now.... anyone wanting to actually discuss the topic - and the areas which appear to have been guilded over - you know, the part about temporary work in the intermin - that part seems to be have bodyswerved in no small amount.

Your point is only valid in relation to your own situation. It is subjective and not representative of the plight of jobseekers in todays society.

I don't feel members are happier with bad luck stories, I am very happy for you and your collegues. However, I don't agree it is as easy as you found it to find work and to suggest it is and the current economic crisis has not impacted on the jobs market is wrong.

You may be right I may be feeling negative, to hear your suggestion that jobseekers deliberately hinder their own progress I find personally insulting.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Your point is only valid in relation to your own situation. It is subjective and not representative of the plight of jobseekers in todays society.

I don't feel members are happier with bad luck stories, I am very happy for you and your collegues. However, I don't agree it is as easy as you found it to find work and to suggest it is and the current economic crisis has not impacted on the jobs market is wrong.

You may be right I may be feeling negative, to hear your suggestion that jobseekers deliberately hinder their own progress I find personally insulting.

Where precisely did I say that jobseekers deliberately hinder their own progress... I stated no such thing.

I do believe that there is an element of those seeking jobs, who expect it all to land in their lap and who 'create obstacles' in them gaining employment. I do feel that there are those in society who do bleat that there are no jobs available - when they really don't do a great to help themselves - just as I am sure there are those who do try hard and long, with no success.

My point is that there appears to be this view overall that 'people just cannot get work' - when I don't feel that's a true view. I have that right to that opinion - just as you have a right to disagree with it.

Why you should find that insulting is beyond me unless you are taking that personally. Understandably it may be an emotional topic for you and if you find it's a subject that is affecting you on such a level, perhaps then it's one of those topics that is best you don't become too involved in. However, your own feelings should not override the right for others to debate the topic.

It doesn't invalidate the right to the discussion.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Where precisely did I say that jobseekers deliberately hinder their own progress... I stated no such thing.

I do believe that there is an element of those seeking jobs, who expect it all to land in their lap and who 'create obstacles' in them gaining employment. I do feel that there are those in society who do bleat that there are no jobs available - when they really don't do a great to help themselves - just as I am sure there are those who do try hard and long, with no success.

My point is that there appears to be this view overall that 'people just cannot get work' - when I don't feel that's a true view. I have that right to that opinion - just as you have a right to disagree with it.

Why you should find that insulting is beyond me unless you are taking that personally. Understandably it may be an emotional topic for you and if you find it's a subject that is affecting you on such a level, perhaps then it's one of those topics that is best you don't become too involved in. However, your own feelings should not override the right for others to debate the topic.

It doesn't invalidate the right to the discussion.

There...You just said it right there pyra,
It is affecting me only as far as I as a jobseeker have heard this 'don't work won't work' rubbish before in relation to the unemployed and I feel it is unfair.
By all means debate the topic, I would never suggest my feelings would or should override or invalidate the right to the discussion ...What a strange thing to say...

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

There...You just said it right there pyra,
It is affecting me only as far as I as a jobseeker have heard this 'don't work won't work' rubbish before in relation to the unemployed and I feel it is unfair.
By all means debate the topic, I would never suggest my feelings would or should override or invalidate the right to the discussion ...What a strange thing to say...

I'm sorry for your own situation Kizzy but that should not stifle anyone elses right to discussion - as you are attempting to do with the personalisation and emotive words you are using.

Try using a persons full comments as quoted Kiz, rather than cherry picking bits to suit your own agenda.

my full comment was:

I do believe that there is an element of those seeking jobs, who expect it all to land in their lap and who 'create obstacles' in them gaining employment. I do feel that there are those in society who do bleat that there are no jobs available - when they really don't do a great to help themselves - just as I am sure there are those who do try hard and long, with no success.

I'll go on the premise that you aren't understanding what the words I used, mean:- 'an element of those seeking jobs who expecte it all to land in their land and who create obstacles....' means.

It means not everyone... it means some, not all.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I'm sorry for your own situation Kizzy but that should not stifle anyone elses right to discussion - as you are attempting to do with the personalisation and emotive words you are using.

Try using a persons full comments as quoted Kiz, rather than cherry picking bits to suit your own agenda.

my full comment was:



I'll go on the premise that you aren't understanding what the words I used, mean:- 'an element of those seeking jobs who expecte it all to land in their land and who create obstacles....' means.

It means not everyone... it means some, not all.

I just stated I was not doing this pyra...you are just repeating yourself now.
If I have personalised the issue it is because you did...It was your own personal experience that it was easy to find employment..It is my experience that it is not.
I only quoted sections of your post as I felt you contradicted yourself, if you don't agree fine.
I do understand pyra thankyou.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

I just stated I was not doing this pyra...you are just repeating yourself now.
If I have personalised the issue it is because you did...It was your own personal experience that it was easy to find employment..It is my experience that it is not.
I only quoted sections of your post as I felt you contradicted yourself, if you don't agree fine.
I do understand pyra thankyou.

You say that in your own experience, that it is not easy to find employment. Do you mean that you are finding it difficult to obtain a job in your chosen field, and remain unemployed whilst you hunt?

What would prevent you from taking on temporary work in the interim - there are many many such vacancies via agencies that can be used to fill the gaps - as well as providing opportunities to you in fields that perhaps you would never have considered previously - as well as gaining new experience in different job roles.