[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Where precisely did I say that jobseekers deliberately hinder their own progress... I stated no such thing.

I do believe that there is an element of those seeking jobs, who expect it all to land in their lap and who 'create obstacles' in them gaining employment. I do feel that there are those in society who do bleat that there are no jobs available - when they really don't do a great to help themselves - just as I am sure there are those who do try hard and long, with no success.

My point is that there appears to be this view overall that 'people just cannot get work' - when I don't feel that's a true view. I have that right to that opinion - just as you have a right to disagree with it.

Why you should find that insulting is beyond me unless you are taking that personally. Understandably it may be an emotional topic for you and if you find it's a subject that is affecting you on such a level, perhaps then it's one of those topics that is best you don't become too involved in. However, your own feelings should not override the right for others to debate the topic.

It doesn't invalidate the right to the discussion.

There...You just said it right there pyra,
It is affecting me only as far as I as a jobseeker have heard this 'don't work won't work' rubbish before in relation to the unemployed and I feel it is unfair.
By all means debate the topic, I would never suggest my feelings would or should override or invalidate the right to the discussion ...What a strange thing to say...

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

There...You just said it right there pyra,
It is affecting me only as far as I as a jobseeker have heard this 'don't work won't work' rubbish before in relation to the unemployed and I feel it is unfair.
By all means debate the topic, I would never suggest my feelings would or should override or invalidate the right to the discussion ...What a strange thing to say...

I'm sorry for your own situation Kizzy but that should not stifle anyone elses right to discussion - as you are attempting to do with the personalisation and emotive words you are using.

Try using a persons full comments as quoted Kiz, rather than cherry picking bits to suit your own agenda.

my full comment was:

I do believe that there is an element of those seeking jobs, who expect it all to land in their lap and who 'create obstacles' in them gaining employment. I do feel that there are those in society who do bleat that there are no jobs available - when they really don't do a great to help themselves - just as I am sure there are those who do try hard and long, with no success.

I'll go on the premise that you aren't understanding what the words I used, mean:- 'an element of those seeking jobs who expecte it all to land in their land and who create obstacles....' means.

It means not everyone... it means some, not all.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I'm sorry for your own situation Kizzy but that should not stifle anyone elses right to discussion - as you are attempting to do with the personalisation and emotive words you are using.

Try using a persons full comments as quoted Kiz, rather than cherry picking bits to suit your own agenda.

my full comment was:



I'll go on the premise that you aren't understanding what the words I used, mean:- 'an element of those seeking jobs who expecte it all to land in their land and who create obstacles....' means.

It means not everyone... it means some, not all.

I just stated I was not doing this pyra...you are just repeating yourself now.
If I have personalised the issue it is because you did...It was your own personal experience that it was easy to find employment..It is my experience that it is not.
I only quoted sections of your post as I felt you contradicted yourself, if you don't agree fine.
I do understand pyra thankyou.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

I just stated I was not doing this pyra...you are just repeating yourself now.
If I have personalised the issue it is because you did...It was your own personal experience that it was easy to find employment..It is my experience that it is not.
I only quoted sections of your post as I felt you contradicted yourself, if you don't agree fine.
I do understand pyra thankyou.

You say that in your own experience, that it is not easy to find employment. Do you mean that you are finding it difficult to obtain a job in your chosen field, and remain unemployed whilst you hunt?

What would prevent you from taking on temporary work in the interim - there are many many such vacancies via agencies that can be used to fill the gaps - as well as providing opportunities to you in fields that perhaps you would never have considered previously - as well as gaining new experience in different job roles.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

You say that in your own experience, that it is not easy to find employment. Do you mean that you are finding it difficult to obtain a job in your chosen field, and remain unemployed whilst you hunt?

What would prevent you from taking on temporary work in the interim - there are many many such vacancies via agencies that can be used to fill the gaps - as well as providing opportunities to you in fields that perhaps you would never have considered previously - as well as gaining new experience in different job roles.

Pyramid please don't patronise me! I do not need employment advice from you thankyou very much.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Pyramid please don't patronise me! I do not need employment advice from you thankyou very much.

Not patronising you at all Kizzy. I'm asking you for some contribution as to why you keep saying it is so difficult to find employment.

I'm asking you a question -that is a world away from being patronising.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Not patronising you at all Kizzy. I'm asking you for some contribution as to why you keep saying it is so difficult to find employment.

I'm asking you a question -that is a world away from being patronising.

I have found it difficult because the positions I have applied for have been unsuccessful pyra....

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

You say that in your own experience, that it is not easy to find employment. Do you mean that you are finding it difficult to obtain a job in your chosen field, and remain unemployed whilst you hunt?

What would prevent you from taking on temporary work in the interim - there are many many such vacancies via agencies that can be used to fill the gaps - as well as providing opportunities to you in fields that perhaps you would never have considered previously - as well as gaining new experience in different job roles.

Spoken like a Tory Assistant Under-Secretary for Employment (age 23, Eton, Cambridge, PPE (2nd)) .....

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Omah

Spoken like a Tory Assistant Under-Secretary for Employment (age 23, Eton, Cambridge, PPE (2nd)) .....

Try defending your side of the argument instead of personally attacking the poster Omah.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Try defending your side of the argument instead of personally attacking the poster Omah.

You're patronising again ?