[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Omah

Incidents involving guns make up less than one per cent of the total number of crimes committed in the UK every year.

What percentage is it in the US? What percentage is it in Canada? What percentage is it in Australia? You arn't comparing those numbers to countries that do arm officers, so we have no context.

You arn't giving us anything to compare it to.

[flamingGalah!]

Yes! A lot of criminals carry guns so the police should too!

As has been said Australian police are armed & there is no gun problem there, the police are given more respect than the police over here...

[Omah]

Originally Posted by lostalex

What percentage is it in the US? What percentage is it in Canada? What percentage is it in Australia? You arn't comparing those numbers to countries that do arm officers, so we have no context.

You arn't giving us anything to compare it to.

With less than 5% of the world's population, the United States is home to roughly 35–50 per cent of the world's civilian-owned guns.

The US has the highest gun ownership rate in the world - an average of 88 per 100 people. That puts it first in the world for gun ownership - and even the number two country, Yemen, has significantly fewer - 54.8 per 100 people.

But the US does not have the worst firearm murder rate - that prize belongs to Honduras, El Salvador and Jamaica. In fact, the US is number 28, with a rate of 2.97 per 100,000 people.

England and Wales has a firearm murder rate of 0.07 per 100,000 people.

[Mystic Mock]

Police need guns because if the criminal has got a Knife or a Baseball Bat wouldn't you rather the Police have a Gun or a stick thing that wouldn't harm a Fly?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

Yes! A lot of criminals carry guns so the police should too!

As has been said Australian police are armed & there is no gun problem there, the police are given more respect than the police over here...

And therein lies one of the biggest problems, I think.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Omah

With less than 5% of the world's population, the United States is home to roughly 35–50 per cent of the world's civilian-owned guns.

The US has the highest gun ownership rate in the world - an average of 88 per 100 people. That puts it first in the world for gun ownership - and even the number two country, Yemen, has significantly fewer - 54.8 per 100 people.

But the US does not have the worst firearm murder rate - that prize belongs to Honduras, El Salvador and Jamaica. In fact, the US is number 28, with a rate of 2.97 per 100,000 people.

England and Wales has a firearm murder rate of 0.07 per 100,000 people.

you didn't answer my question. what percentage of crimes are committed with a gun in the US, in Canada, and in Australia? you said the UK has only 1% of crimes commited with a gun, but you havn't given us any numbers to compare it to.

None of the figures you just listed have anything to do with the question i asked you.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Livia

All you need to turn a replica gun into a firearm is a firing pin and a drill. I know that. Just because it's easy to do it shouldn't be accepted that it will be done.

I agree that the justice system is not hard enough to rapist and killers, sadly the woolly-thinkers start to worry about the rights of the criminal rather than the rights of the victim almost as soon as a crime's taken place... but really that's nt the issue here.

I think a zero tolerance with firearms that was actually carried out would be an effective deterrent against gun crime. Like I said before, you cannot legally own a handgun in the UK, so if you're not a copper or a soldier, there is only one reason you would have a handgun and that is to commit a crime. Bang 'em up, and you'd only have to do it to half a dozen to prove you were serious and gun crime would inevitably drop.

banging people up for life for having a gun on them would not change the facts
its people that kill they only use the gun to do it!
far more people are being killed with knifes

[Omah]

Originally Posted by lostalex

you didn't answer my question. what percentage of crimes are committed with a gun in the US, in Canada, and in Australia? you said the UK has only 1% of crimes commited with a gun, but you havn't given us any numbers to compare it to.

None of the figures you just listed have anything to do with the question i asked you.

The comparative firearm murder rate is, nonetheless, indicative .....

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Omah

The comparative firearm murder rate is, nonetheless, indicative .....

indicative of what?

Murderers in the US arn't getting their guns from the cops.

[MTVN]

No, it's unnecessary and the police themselves don't even want to be armed, 82% of them are against it

I also think we've had enough cases of the few armed police we have shooting people unlawfully so as not to want every single police officer in the country to have a gun

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

No, it's unnecessary and the police themselves don't even want to be armed, 82% of them are against it

I also think we've had enough cases of the few armed police we have shooting people unlawfully so as not to want every single police officer in the country to have a gun

but recent events/revelations have shown that cops in the UK don't need guns to cause unnecessary death, do they. Well i shouldn't say recent, the Met has quite a history of it...

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by MTVN

No, it's unnecessary and the police themselves don't even want to be armed, 82% of them are against it

I also think we've had enough cases of the few armed police we have shooting people unlawfully so as not to want every single police officer in the country to have a gun

Tbf that's because The Police aren't trained properly in those situations imo.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

but recent events/revelations have shown that cops in the UK don't need guns to cause unnecessary death, do they. Well i shouldn't say recent, the Met has quite a history of it...

The London Metropolitan police are the most thuggish brutish cops in the country, but they are policing a city that is as equally thuggish and brutish, they're hardly comparable to the rest of the UK.

[the truth]

ive give the majority of cops on the front line, taser guns

[Omah]

Originally Posted by lostalex

indicative of what?

Murderers in the US arn't getting their guns from the cops.

They may well be - just recently :

According to the NY Post, an NYPD cop was busted last night on charges of breaking into his colleagues’ lockers in their station house and stealing guns that were then sold on the street.

Police say Nicholas Mina, 31, stole four 9mm firearms from the seventh-floor locker room at the Ninth Precinct in the East Village.

http://globalgrind.com/news/nicholas...#ixzz26xbs72Rn

A Greenwood police cruiser was broken into Sunday and several guns were stolen.

The case is being investigated by the Greenwood County Sheriff's Office since the police cruiser belonged to the Greenwood Police Department, said Maj. William Kinney, with the Greenwood County Sheriff's Office.

"It's very dangerous, very dangerous," Kinney said. "These weapons are specialized for a particular unit and they are dangerous weapons."

According to a police report, an unmarked 2007 Ford Explorer, belonging to the department's narcotics unit, was the vehicle that was broken into. The report stated that the Explorer's doors were left unlocked. There were no signs of forced entry into the vehicle.

A pistol, a shotgun, a bulletproof vest, two thousand rounds of ammunition, several magazines for the pistol and a black patrol bag were stolen from the car.

"Any gun on the street in the hands of a criminal poses a threat," Kinney said.

http://www.independentmail.com/news/...d-police-crui/

BETHANY, Oklahoma -
A couple weeks ago, some guns were stolen in Logan County out of a car belonging to an undercover law enforcement officer. Now police say at least one weapon somehow got into the hands of a known gang member.

Bethany police say a home alarm went off in the 7100 block of N.W. 18th Street, alerting officers to a burglary in progress. Within four minutes, an officer arrived to find Latricicia Vaughn and Byron Rhodes sitting in a car backed in the driveway across the street.

Vaughn took off running and was soon caught. Rhodes was pulled from the car and taken into custody.

"That's one of our big thrills of police officers is catching criminals while they are committing crimes because that simply doesn't happen that often," Bethany Police Chief Phil Cole said.

Upon searching the car, the officer then discovered a gun under the seat. The serial number matched a gun stolen from the agent in Logan County.

"Even more exciting, we were able to recover a gun stolen from a Law Enforcement officer here in the state," Cole said.

Further investigation sent officers to another house where they served a search warrant in hopes of finding other weapons that were stolen from the officer.

There they found a sawed off shot gun, and another gun stolen from Pennsylvania.

Police say Rhodes is a known gang member and they are looking into if he used that stolen Logan county gun in recent crimes.

"He was possibly wanted in some drive-by shootings in Oklahoma City," Chief Cole said.

Currently Rhodes and Vaughn are facing charges of possession of a firearm while in the commission of a felony, attempted burglary, and knowing concealing stolen property.

http://www.newson6.com/story/1957772...-investigation

etc, etc .....

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Omah

With less than 5% of the world's population, the United States is home to roughly 35–50 per cent of the world's civilian-owned guns.

The US has the highest gun ownership rate in the world - an average of 88 per 100 people. That puts it first in the world for gun ownership - and even the number two country, Yemen, has significantly fewer - 54.8 per 100 people.

But the US does not have the worst firearm murder rate - that prize belongs to Honduras, El Salvador and Jamaica. In fact, the US is number 28, with a rate of 2.97 per 100,000 people.

England and Wales has a firearm murder rate of 0.07 per 100,000 people.

omah thats great work well done. ignore lost alex questions, he doesnt provide any evidence, he doesnt answer questions and he ignores whatever data you show him. in short he is wasting your time, so dont fall for his nonsense

[Omah]

Originally Posted by lostalex

indicative of what?

The US firearm murder rate is 300 times that of England and Wales ..... since nearly everyone in the US has a gun and nearly everyone in England an Wales doesn't, I'd say that's indicative of gun ownership creating murder .....

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Omah

The US firearm murder rate is 300 times that of England and Wales ..... since nearly everyone in the US has a gun and nearly everyone in England an Wales doesn't, I'd say that's indicative of gun ownership creating murder .....

100% agree. lets hope enough intellgent people finally reach this obvious conclusion

[Gillian-73]

Originally Posted by arista

No

He used a Grenade as well.

The Error was sending two Women

How so? Male police officers wouldn't have been killed? Of course they would have. I don't really get what you mean here?

[arista]

Armed Officers are Male.

Sure they would have also died.

[Scarlett.]

but it was a routine call out that turned out to be an ambush, there was no need for armed police at that point.

[Gillian-73]

Originally Posted by arista

Armed Officers are Male.

Sure they would have also died.

They believed it to be a routine call so even if male officers had have gone they wouldn't have been armed, in this case

[Kizzy]

Left wing policies?... I would just love to know what they are and why they tie the hands of the police in the UK?
I don't believe personally it has thatmuch to do with respect, there are more armed response units due to an increase in gang culture and organised crime and terrorism.
Day to day bobbies though should never be armed, you cannot demand respect...

It is good that the national diploma in public services allows young people to see the difficulties faced in modern policing, and encourages youths to follow this career path.
There are many 'fly on the wall' series following officers on various patrols in various roles. Again this helps the public connect with the police, seeing the problems, decisions,dramas and dilemmas faced by them everyday.
This was an unavoidable tradgedy, and not an argument for policy change or arming uniformed officers.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Armed Officers are Male.

Sure they would have also died.

Quit while you are behind arista..

[arista]

Originally Posted by Chewy

but it was a routine call out that turned out to be an ambush, there was no need for armed police at that point.

Yes and Ch4News pointed out
they should have been on better Alert.