[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Miranda123

she was only upset cause she realised that we all see her for what she is

she didnt get upset at all until he was called to the diary room

Which was about 3 seconds after he threatened to headbutt her while snarling inches from her face.

[bez87]

I honestly can not believe people are putting the blame onto Hazel, like she made him do it, and no she was scared before BB intervened, the moment he slapped her on the arse was the moment it changed for her, you could see it in her face, she had already asked for a hug to calm the situation down, he was having non of it, she then did a silly thing and pulled his pants down to try and make humour of a sour few moments, he then went on to threaten her, she moved to the side he got his quilt and then he went back and grabbed her by the throat and threatened her, then BB stepped in immediately, how can you say she was not scared before hand, just watch it, jesus some people are crazy.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by bez87

I honestly can not believe people are putting the blame onto Hazel, like she made him do it, and no she was scared before BB intervened, the moment he slapped her on the arse was the moment it changed for her, you could see it in her face, she had already asked for a hug to calm the situation down, he was having non of it, she then did a silly thing and pulled his pants down to try and make humour of a sour few moments, he then went on to threaten her, she moved to the side he got his quilt and then he went back and grabbed her by the throat and threatened her, then BB stepped in immediately, how can you say she was not scared before hand, just watch it, jesus some people are crazy.

theyre not. they are simply saying daley was a disgrace and deserved the boot, but she was also a disgrace.

[lily.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

I think his actions were unacceptable long before he grabbed her by the throat but she wasnt afraid at all points in the incident.

I think she was disturbed when he had her by the neck, but regardless of whether she was or wasn't, I totally agree that his actions were unacceptable throughout.

That being said, I think her actions were also unacceptable when she pulled his shorts down. Had he done that to her and she was commando, I think he'd have been booted out. So, what's the difference. She exposed him against his will. For that, she should have been ejected.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by lily.

I think she was disturbed when he had her by the neck, but regardless of whether she was or wasn't, I totally agree that his actions were unacceptable throughout.

That being said, I think her actions were also unacceptable when she pulled his shorts down. Had he done that to her and she was commando, I think he'd have been booted out. So, what's the difference. She exposed him against his will. For that, she should have been ejected.

100% agreed,thats a very fair post,, bravo

[lily.]

Originally Posted by Miranda123

Look, I havent seen anyone on here defending him

They are just trying to point out that she was complict in all that happened, knowing he was drunk and starting a \play fight' that she knew he didnt want

I wouldnt do that with my partner if he wanted to sleep, but to do it to a guy you barely know, who has already said things to you that make you uncomfortable (as she told Charle)

Im sorry, but she was ACTUALLY asking for it, literally, when she said, I am not afraid of aggressive men, WTF?? She was actually asking???

Asking for it? So saying she's not afraid of him equates to asking to be choked and spoken to like she's worthless?

I totally disagree.

And, I don't think Niamh was far off the mark when she compared that statement to people saying rape victims are asking for it by how they dress etc.

There's a culture to blame the victims in these situations. Daley put his hands around her throat and verbally threatened to nut her. No matter what events led up to that, it was wrong, and the only person to be blamed for bad behaviour is the person who is behaving badly. There is no justification for what he did. Fact.

We can argue back and forth about Hazel's behaviour. A lot of her behaviour has been wrong also. And, for that, she's to blame. But to blame her for Daley's behaviour is dangerous. He's a grown man and has to take responsibility for his own actions. In my view, he doesn't seem to be able to do that. It's possibly a lack of intelligence, but it's disturbing that so many viewers are reinforcing his opinion that it's okay to behave this way.

[the truth]

men like daley need to beware of such women. he also needs to control himself far better. he should have gone straight to big brother and say hes not happy with her behaviour. sadly BB should have stepped in at that stage.

[arista]

Beauty and the Beast

[arista]

No Daley you went beyond kinky there


He can go to the Daily Mirror or a sunday paper
not the star or express, though

[lily.]

Originally Posted by the truth

men like daley need to beware of such women. he also needs to control himself far better. he should have gone straight to big brother and say hes not happy with her behaviour. sadly BB should have stepped in at that stage.

If he wasn't happy with her behaviour, yes, he should have gone to BB. He had that option. However, he chose a different option, and now he's paying for that choice.

[CaudleHalbard]

Hazel could have gone to BB and complained when her bum got slapped. It clearly hurt and at that point anyone with two brain cells to rub together might have thought it's time to call a halt to all the antics and just go to sleep.

But she didn't did she?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

Hazel could have gone to BB and complained when her bum got slapped. It clearly hurt and at that point anyone with two brain cells to rub together might have thought it's time to call a halt to all the antics and just go to sleep.

But she didn't did she?

So therefore she deserved to be choked and threatened?.......................

[lily.]

CaudleHalbard, are you male or female?

Either way, it's bad. If you're male and think it's okay to do that to a girl, I feel sorry for any girl who spends time with you. If you're female and think it's okay for a guy to turn full-on crazy and choke you, I feel sorry for you.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So therefore she deserved to be choked and threatened?.......................

Seriously... I can hardly believe some of the stuff that's been written here. And we've all seen some unacceptable stuff written on here during previous BBs... but this takes the biscuit for me.

[CaudleHalbard]

Was it Daley who said "Go for it" after some aggressive talk?

Oh sorry, my mistake, it was Hazel wasn't it! Silly me!

[Vicky.]

I think she showed she was beginning to feel a bit uncomfortable when she mentioned security..if it was all just playing, then security wouldnt have entered her mind.

[lily.]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

Was it Daley who said "Go for it" after some aggressive talk?

Oh sorry, my mistake, it was Hazel wasn't it! Silly me!

Oh of course.. I completely forgot that 'go for it' means 'Feel free to choke me and talk to me like I'm dirt on your shoe whilst threatening to headbutt me. I'm totally fine with that.'

My mistake.

[GiRTh]

She said 'go for it' after he made a comment about how unpleasant he could be when he got angry.

This is my point entirely, her actions and comments need to be explained. Im, sorry and I don't care if I endure the wrath of the female forum members but in the cold light of day comments like 'Go for it and 'I'm not afraid of aggressive men ' could be misinterpreted. She was very silly to try and escalate the situation if she was as scared as some say.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

She said 'go for it' after he made a comment about how unpleasant he could be when he got angry.

This is my point entirely, her actions and comments need to be explained. Im, sorry and I don't care if I endure the wrath of the female forum members but in the cold light of day comments like 'Go for it and 'I'm not afraid of aggressive men ' could be misinterpreted. She was very silly to try and escalate the situation if she was as scared as some say.

Misinterpreted?

Misinterpreted is a miss communication. A trained fighter forcing a girl to lie down with his fist around her neck is not a misinterpretation, its a completely different language.

[MTVN]

I would think that "I'm not afraid of aggressive men" should be a pretty damning indictment of his actions, it should imply to him that he was being aggressive and his behaviour could be seen as frightening but she didn't want to let herself seem powerless so went on the defensive, there was a lot of tension there but it wasn't sexual. Unlike a lot of people I actually don't think Hazel was trying to be flirtatious at all either, more that she was quite concerned and threatened early on in the incident but didn't want to lose control over the situation

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by kefln

Misinterpreted?

Misinterpreted is a miss communication. A trained fighter forcing a girl to lie down with his fist around her neck is not a misinterpretation, its a completely different language.

I have said a number of times that Daley actions are deplorable. I'm not coming down on either side. Every comment I've made today is about Hazel and how I think the events in the video and the things she said can be interpreted in a number of ways ,so I dont know what you're trying to say in your post.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I would think that "I'm not afraid of aggressive men" should be a pretty damning indictment of his actions, it should imply to him that he was being aggressive and his behaviour could be seen as frightening but she didn't want to let herself seem powerless so went on the defensive, there was a lot of tension there but it wasn't sexual. Unlike a lot of people I actually don't think Hazel was trying to be flirtatious at all either, more that she was quite concerned and threatened early on in the incident but didn't want to lose control over the situation

Thats my thinking too.

It was evident that she had lost "control" of the situation. She tried a couple of times to bring it back. Some attempts were less than successful. But its important to remember, that up until this point, they as a couple were quite close.

Daley was getting steadily more aggressive. She was holding her own, still playing it down. Right up until he said that he could end her. Because she replied in kind. You could see the confusion in his face. She was standing up to him and he couldnt work out, at that point, what it all meant. So he gained control by the use of his fists.

He forced her into the pillow, and reminded her that he could hurt her, if he wanted too.

BB intervened and she couldnt get out of the bed fast enough.

[susie q]

In response to "the truth" Apologies for forgetting to put My views on Hazels punishment.
It was right that she was warned, but that was enough. However the comment about being PC was unwarranted, I was merely stating my view On Daleys part in the incident,
as an ex-casualty nurse I have dealt with the end results of such behaviour far to often.
I also hope he gets help for his own sake. In the meantime I will put forward the idea that any debate about domestic abuse can only be a good thing. Laying the blame at Hazels door I will leave to others.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by kefln

Thats my thinking too.

It was evident that she had lost "control" of the situation. She tried a couple of times to bring it back. Some attempts were less than successful. But its important to remember, that up until this point, they as a couple were quite close.

Daley was getting steadily more aggressive. She was holding her own, still playing it down. Right up until he said that he could end her. Because she replied in kind. You could see the confusion in his face. She was standing up to him and he couldnt work out, at that point, what it all meant. So he gained control by the use of his fists.

He forced her into the pillow, and reminded her that he could hurt her, if he wanted too.

BB intervened and she couldnt get out of the bed fast enough.

this is all true and he rightly was booted out, but it also misses out crucial factors such as her role in escalating the situation...she should also be judged as her actions were pretty deplorable

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by the truth

this is all true and he rightly was booted out, but it also misses out crucial factors such as her role in escalating the situation...she should also be judged as her actions were pretty deplorable

No surprise to see a misogynist like yourself side the ones trying to justify the abuse.