[kistar]

Originally Posted by Livia

There was no indecent - or any other kind of assault, apart from when Daley first struck and then put his hands around Hazel's throat aggressively. Seriously... Were you watching a different programme?

She struck him first, and when he grabbed her by the throat she did it straight back to him and she said something along the lines of "do you think I'm intimidated by aggressive men?" meaning no she wasn't she also lifted herself up towards him in so her face was close to his , Livia , woman or man it doesn't matter she was goading him and she experienced the consequences of her actions, surely we all have to be responsible for what we do and with whom and when , had she given him back his cover said okay enough now and not pulled his shorts down none of it would have happened.

What annoys me is you are making women out to be the weaker sex and vulnerable to men and I for one am not. If you own your part in it you are not a victim, and you are making Hazel sound like a victim. I said in one post it's all about perception and I meant that based on life experiences and beliefs, my view point is coloured by my experiences .Just because I think Hazel should take responsibility for her actions does not in any way shape or form mean I side with men or hate her for being gorgeous either.

We have to acknowledge at some level too men have a weakness in their need and desire to procreate and as women we should not use that as leverage and be aware that we have the equipment to bring them to their knees if we like, so again we should take responsibility for our actions .