[Ryan57]

When you reach around 14, probably earlier, you get this urge to explore what is out there. Admittedly, you would be underage to view pornography. With that said, there are worse things for a child to look at than porn. Movies that involve shooting, video games like GTA (I've nothing against those two media forms, I'm just citing examples).

I viewed porn at 14, no urge to go and rape anyone. Same can be said for the majority out there. 14 year olds will also watch movies that are 18+ and play games that are 18+. Should there be an 'opt in' option for this sort of media?

Add to this, at 14, in my school at least, we weren't taught sex education at that age. We were taught basically nothing, even at the age of 15-16. The only thing that was ever shown, close to anything sexual, was a 55 year old plus female teacher putting a condom on a board pen. No videos showing anything at all.

My best teachers were porn and The Sun's Dear Deirdre.

Add to this, just like banning torrent sites, people will still be able to access child porn.

[Tregard]

This is nebulous, vauge, expensive, pointless, and insulting.

What gives Cameron the right to censor the internet in this way? His point that paedophilia is in some way linked to all pornographic material is ridiculous and ignorant, and just how exactly does he think this will work? Those viewing "illegal" material will continue to do so, circumventing the blocks, and hiding even deeper, and everyone else will have to suffer this frivolous blocking.

Where does it end, Cameron? Does Reddit get blocked for it's erotic subreddits? What about Tumblr? Youtube has artistic nudity on it, will that get blocked? There is not a chance in hell this will "block porn", because (and this is the most important point) what I deem pornographic and what you do are different, possibly even extremely so. The government are not in a position to shove their morals onto me, let alone the entire country. How dare you use "Think of the children" as an excuse to set up a nation-wide site blacklist, because anyone who speaks against it looks like a deviant, a pervert, and it lets the government begin their censorship upon the web, which is not their business and not their responsibility.

Not many things the government do irritate me, but I am truly disgusted about the path this could put us on. Once this technology is in place, there is no expense to stop them blocking any site they deem unsuitable to the public. Instead of dealing with the bigger issues like the economy, it has been decided to waste money on this. The blocking of torrent sites didn't work, and neither will this, you just make people work harder to access the sites they want to see, and the entire nation gets punished for it.

The party which says they will shut down this ridiculous charade come 2015 will have my vote, and if they all stand by it, I guess it's Canada for me.

I saw a line I feel ends my little rant fittingly.

"Maybe Cameron should ban pubs whilst he's at it. Might stop him losing his kids for starters."

[Ryan57]

I bet Cameron opts in.

[arista]

Originally Posted by reece(:

**** Cameron, atleast Amsterdam is just a cheap boat ride away.

Labour is doing the same

[Ryan57]

There were ways around torrent sites. I managed to access a torrent site within two minutes of seeing that my ISP had banned it. I fully expect a way around this, rather quickly.

[arista]

"Where does it end, Cameron? Does Reddit get blocked "


Nothing gets Blocked If you Opt IN

This is not a Major problem
2014 Election gig

[Samm]

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Tregard

This is nebulous, vauge, expensive, pointless, and insulting.

What gives Cameron the right to censor the internet in this way? His point that paedophilia is in some way linked to all pornographic material is ridiculous and ignorant, and just how exactly does he think this will work? Those viewing "illegal" material will continue to do so, circumventing the blocks, and hiding even deeper, and everyone else will have to suffer this frivolous blocking.

Where does it end, Cameron? Does Reddit get blocked for it's erotic subreddits? What about Tumblr? Youtube has artistic nudity on it, will that get blocked? There is not a chance in hell this will "block porn", because (and this is the most important point) what I deem pornographic and what you do are different, possibly even extremely so. The government are not in a position to shove their morals onto me, let alone the entire country. How dare you use "Think of the children" as an excuse to set up a nation-wide site blacklist, because anyone who speaks against it looks like a deviant, a pervert, and it lets the government begin their censorship upon the web, which is not their business and not their responsibility.

Not many things the government do irritate me, but I am truly disgusted about the path this could put us on. Once this technology is in place, there is no expense to stop them blocking any site they deem unsuitable to the public. Instead of dealing with the bigger issues like the economy, it has been decided to waste money on this. The blocking of torrent sites didn't work, and neither will this, you just make people work harder to access the sites they want to see, and the entire nation gets punished for it.

The party which says they will shut down this ridiculous charade come 2015 will have my vote, and if they all stand by it, I guess it's Canada for me.

I saw a line I feel ends my little rant fittingly.

"Maybe Cameron should ban pubs whilst he's at it. Might stop him losing his kids for starters."

I'm the opposite, usually everything this government does irritates me... except this

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ryan57

There were ways around torrent sites. I managed to access a torrent site within two minutes of seeing that my ISP had banned it. I fully expect a way around this, rather quickly.

Go for it big shot

If its legal - no problem


If it Illegal they will catch you


Me and Kizzy could visit you inside
we will bring grapes


Life In The City

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Zee

Lol I know it was but it's representative of the age old men vs women argument that men are randy buggers and women are prudish ball busters, depending on which side of the gender fence you're leaning on, you know the kind of debate. Porn is made for men, for the most part. This just seems so bizarre.

I'm not sure that's true these days, Zee. Women make an awful lot of money in porn... they act, they produce, they direct... and plenty of women watch porn. The industry is highly regulated in this country and really, so long as no coercion is involved, I don't see why so many people - women - have a problem with it.

And if you don't want your kids to see it, you should have to opt out.

[Z]

And laugh all you want, but every dictatorship and reviled government that has ever censored material has gone down in history as being infamous for abusing their power. This is a modern day version of book burnings. It's not even about porn itself in all honesty, this legislation seeks to humiliate and persecute - but of course anyone who says that will be accused of trying to veil the fact they watch porn and want to keep it that way. So that's why I'm openly saying I watch porn. Most guys do. A lot more women do than people would like to think. It's one of the few taboos left in society and that's why this has already been so controversial. A lot of women (and men) don't want their partners watching pornography and they equate it with cheating; and I'd say most other people just don't acknowledge it even if they know that their partner does it, because it's awkward to talk about. And now David Cameron's turned that awkwardness on the public and is forcing people to either bury their heads in the sand or openly admit that they do something that most of the adult population does and has tried to brand it all with a thick coating of "PERVERT!" paint.

[Livia]

it's always sex with the Tories and money with Labour. I can't see this getting through...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm the opposite, usually everything this government does irritates me... except this

You Are Most Wise Kizzy

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by arista

Labour is doing the same

I'll be voting for the Porn Party at the next election then.

[Jords]

Porn </3

[Ryan57]

Originally Posted by arista

Go for it big shot

If its legal - no problem


If it Illegal they will catch you


Me and Kizzy could visit you inside
we will bring grapes


Life In The City

I can confirm, without any doubt, I do not find enjoyment from child porn.

However, please bring me some grapes nonetheless.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

it'a always sex with the Tories and money with Labour. I can't see this getting through...

its a year to do it
Election gig 2014

[Z]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm not sure that's true these days, Zee. Women make an awful lot of money in porn... they act, they produce, they direct... and plenty of women watch porn. The industry is highly regulated in this country and really, so long as no coercion is involved, I don't see why so many people - women - have a problem with it.

And if you don't want your kids to see it, you should have to opt out.

Yeah, women make a lot of money in porn, but porn is made primarily for a male viewing audience. I should have perhaps made that clearer. There's a whole sub-section of porn "made for women" (as in, that's how it's known) but it's a common porn trope to have "girl on girl", "girl orgy" etc etc... I also think it's ridiculous that he's choosing to target internet porn but he's leaving Page 3 "up to the consumer" - you don't get internet porn lying about in the street, on the bus, on the subway or being stocked in every supermarket or magazine shop around the country. I've seen countless Page 3 newspapers left lying around, have never bought one in my life, yet I've never once seen or even heard of where to find any child porn or rape videos.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm not sure that's true these days, Zee. Women make an awful lot of money in porn... they act, they produce, they direct... and plenty of women watch porn. The industry is highly regulated in this country and really, so long as no coercion is involved, I don't see why so many people - women - have a problem with it.

And if you don't want your kids to see it, you should have to opt out.

Is David Cameron a woman now? He has a problem with it clearly...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ryan57

I can confirm, without any doubt, I do not find enjoyment from child porn.

However, please bring me some grapes nonetheless.

We will

[Ryan57]

Livia is right, there is a lot to made from the porn industry. Provided you're female.

Also, women have a choice in what they want to perform in.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ryan57

Livia is right, there is a lot to made from the porn industry. Provided you're female.

Also, women have a choice in what they want to perform in.

DVD production ( A 24Disc Production in the Studio is easy)
can go UP

Aren't Tories politicians famous for their own deviant sexual peccadilloes? Maybe this will encourage the ragtops to start looking into mp's private lives a little more. After all, they've set themselves up here.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Zee

Yeah, women make a lot of money in porn, but porn is made primarily for a male viewing audience. I should have perhaps made that clearer. There's a whole sub-section of porn "made for women" (as in, that's how it's known) but it's a common porn trope to have "girl on girl", "girl orgy" etc etc... I also think it's ridiculous that he's choosing to target internet porn but he's leaving Page 3 "up to the consumer" - you don't get internet porn lying about in the street, on the bus, on the subway or being stocked in every supermarket or magazine shop around the country. I've seen countless Page 3 newspapers left lying around, have never bought one in my life, yet I've never once seen or even heard of where to find any child porn or rape videos.

My daughter uses the Internet every single day.. She has never read The Sun in her life... And to be honest, page 3 is just a pair of big boobs, you see that on the beach on holiday, and this is very different to watching a woman (or a man) take it in every orifice.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Zee

Yeah, women make a lot of money in porn, but porn is made primarily for a male viewing audience. I should have perhaps made that clearer. There's a whole sub-section of porn "made for women" (as in, that's how it's known) but it's a common porn trope to have "girl on girl", "girl orgy" etc etc... I also think it's ridiculous that he's choosing to target internet porn but he's leaving Page 3 "up to the consumer" - you don't get internet porn lying about in the street, on the bus, on the subway or being stocked in every supermarket or magazine shop around the country. I've seen countless Page 3 newspapers left lying around, have never bought one in my life, yet I've never once seen or even heard of where to find any child porn or rape videos.

I can't say I've ever really seen any "made for women" porn... Is there like a back-story, a couple of scenes about shoe shopping some crashing waves and soaring music... and they all get married in the end and live happily ever after?

David Cameron is a prude. He's desperately trying to win back to the party the thin-lipped head-shakers and hand-wringers that had such a problem with gay marriage. That's a generalisation, but that doesn't make it wrong.