[the_answers]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Never said that at all, but there are stereotypes that exist where women aren't supposed to be sexually promiscuous or else they're a 'slut' (but it's perfectly acceptable for men to be and they're 'suchaladmate' if they do), even worse they get called this by women themselves, and if a woman gets trollied she's not very 'ladylike' (LOL that's a stereotype in itself). I could go on but basically the fact she destroys these stereotypes and doesn't give a ****** is good enough for me

See your point.
But don't you find it a bit odd that BB seem to frown upon supposed "flirting" done by certain women on the show (and thanked for their bodies in a sterotypical type of way) yet Charlotte ends up the winner and a "lovely person" ?

Originally Posted by Jack_

The problem is when people are judged for acting the way Charlotte does (especially when men are celebrated for the same behaviour) and berated for doing so, when really...you know...live and let live and all that.

You mean like how Courtney gets judged for a bit of innocent finger play ?
Or Hazel's non-sexual encounter ?

Aren't you just a bit suprised BB have nothing to say about Charlottes chosen lifestyle ?

[Kizzy]

'sexist gender stereotypes' what does this mean?
It's not unseen behaviour, it's everywhere... Women of all ages behave like this all the time. Is it in my opinion to be applauded? no.

[Amy Jade]

She won, moaning about it won't change that.

[Seanbon]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Don't watch either, hate them kind of shows, didn't think Charlotte was the most entertaining housemate in there either

Was referring to her "fanbase"!!

[Lee.]

Jack, contrary to what I think you believe, I'm not an old prudish woman who sits at home muttering about the "youth of today"... I have a large circle of friends, mainly 30 something's but a few in their 20s. We certainly still know how to have a good time.. We go out, drink a LOT, dance, sing, laugh and generally make complete arses of ourselves, but we all know in which company it's acceptable to act like this.. I would never swear in front of other folks parents, I would get completely wankered at a family wedding, I don't fart in front of ANYONE, I act polite and mannerable in new strange company.... This isn't confirming to gender stereotypes, it's called having a bit of ****ing decorum!

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by the_answers

See your point.
But don't you find it a bit odd that BB seem to frown upon supposed "flirting" done by certain women on the show (and thanked for their bodies in a sterotypical type of way) yet Charlotte ends up the winner and a "lovely person" ?


You mean like how Courtney gets judged for a bit of innocent finger play ?
Or Hazel's non-sexual encounter ?

Aren't you just a bit suprised BB have nothing to say about Chalottes chosen lifestyle ?

I can't disagree with any of that, there's definitely points to be raised from what you've just said. That doesn't negate the bile spouted at Charlotte though

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Jack, contrary to what I think you believe, I'm not an old prudish woman who sits at home muttering about the "youth of today"... I have a large circle of friends, mainly 30 something's but a few in their 20s. We certainly still know how to have a good time.. We go out, drink a LOT, dance, sing, laugh and generally make complete arses of ourselves, but we all know in which company it's acceptable to act like this.. I would never swear in front of other folks parents, I would get completely wankered at a family wedding, I don't fart in front of ANYONE, I act polite and mannerable in new strange company.... This isn't confirming to gender stereotypes, it's called having a bit of ****ing decorum!

With all due respect you said you wished I would play with razor blades, that's worse than farting in my opinion.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by StupidHoe

She won, moaning about it won't change that.

Nobody is moaning stupidhoe, this is a discussion forum and that's what we're doing.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Jack, contrary to what I think you believe, I'm not an old prudish woman who sits at home muttering about the "youth of today"... I have a large circle of friends, mainly 30 something's but a few in their 20s. We certainly still know how to have a good time.. We go out, drink a LOT, dance, sing, laugh and generally make complete arses of ourselves, but we all know in which company it's acceptable to act like this.. I would never swear in front of other folks parents, I would get completely wankered at a family wedding, I don't fart in front of ANYONE, I act polite and mannerable in new strange company.... This isn't confirming to gender stereotypes, it's called having a bit of ****ing decorum!

I don't know where you've seen her swearing in front of other people's parents? Bit unfair to make an assumption like that based upon an exaggerated character role she plays and is paid for in a scripted reality show

I wouldn't fart in front of anyone because it's embarrassing to me, but I certainly don't care if anyone else does...I have much bigger issues to be worrying about.

I also don't see why you don't think she's polite either? She came across as a pretty nice person to me in the house beyond all the swearing and drinking...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by StupidHoe

She won, moaning about it won't change that.

People are discussing her behaviour on a discussion forum. Nobody's moaning about her win.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I don't know where you've seen her swearing in front of other people's parents? Bit unfair to make an assumption like that based upon an exaggerated character role she plays and is paid for in a scripted reality show

I wouldn't fart in front of anyone because it's embarrassing to me, but I certainly don't care if anyone else does...I have much bigger issues to be worrying about.

I also don't see why you don't think she's polite either? She came across as a pretty nice person to me in the house beyond all the swearing and drinking...

She doesn't play a role, that is her....It's not an act.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Also 'chav' is a (damaging and mightily overinclusive might I add) stereotype just so you know.

Yes, it is a stereotype. One she hasn't proven wrong.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

People are discussing her behaviour on a discussion forum. Nobody's moaning about her win.

Are you serious haha

[Seanbon]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Nobody is moaning stupidhoe, this is a discussion forum and that's what we're doing.

Don't you know that when you're in agreement you're discussing,when you're disagreeing you're moaning!!

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Bit unfair to make an assumption like that based upon an exaggerated character role she plays and is paid for in a scripted reality show

It's scripted, but it's not cast like other actual acting roles. They have to start somewhere with the basis of their antics, her own behaviour will have got her on Geordie Shore. They liked it, hired her and exploited the type of person she is.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by StupidHoe

Are you serious haha

This thread is discussing Charlotte's behaviour, stereotypes, acceptability etc. There is moaning going on in places on the forum but trying to shut a sensible discussion down in this thread with "stop moaning" is ridiculous. If you don't want to discuss then leave the thread.

[the_answers]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I can't disagree with any of that, there's definitely points to be raised from what you've just said. That doesn't negate the bile spouted at Charlotte though

Well I see your point to some extent.
If there's any blame to be had (which we're debating), I certainly think it's not all at Charlotte's door.
If the show didn't want her on she wouldn't have gone on. (and they knew what she was like)

As far as I can gather Geordie Shore didn't arise from Charlotte, she was selected to be part of it ?
So why do people who blame Charlotte not blame the TV program too ?
Cos she's an easier target...
If it wasn't her I guess it would be someone else.

Think you're wrong to make out she's a rebel or on some kind of feminist mission though - she offered a half hearted apology tonight.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I don't know where you've seen her swearing in front of other people's parents? Bit unfair to make an assumption like that based upon an exaggerated character role she plays and is paid for in a scripted reality show

I wouldn't fart in front of anyone because it's embarrassing to me, but I certainly don't care if anyone else does...I have much bigger issues to be worrying about.

I also don't see why you don't think she's polite either? She came across as a pretty nice person to me in the house beyond all the swearing and drinking...

Jack, I don't think we're going to agree on this tbh

But put it this way (and I know you will DEFINITELY get this once you have kids if your own) my daughter will never ever grow up to be like Charlotte. Ill spend every day of the rest of her childhood making sure she matures with manners, modesty and morals.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

She doesn't play a role, that is her....It's not an act.

omg...

Yes she does. Like, yes.

It's a scripted reality show. TOWIE, MIC and Geordie Shore are all the same (hence why I don't watch them). The people are casted and presented to the audience as 'themselves' but they are told by the directors to exaggerate certain aspects of their personality and effectively take on a persona as if it were a soap opera, so Mario is the 'nasty love rat' on TOWIE yet in the house most people seem to agree that he appears to be a pretty decent guy, no? The casts on these shows are paid and told to do certain things, so often certain arguments and relationship scenes will be set up and they'll be given directions as to how to play the scene out

The entire point of Geordie Shore is to watch them going out on the hunt for sex and to get battered, it's not a show for everyone (and not for me) but that IS the purpose of the show, so all of the cast members are given directions that that is what they want...

I'm not saying off-camera she talks like someone from Chelsea and doesn't drink but it is an exaggerated character, anyone that seriously believes she goes around in her every day life pissing on the street whilst out shopping and talking about dildoing herself with Betty on the checkout has seriously got the wrong idea

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

This thread is discussing Charlotte's behaviour, stereotypes, acceptability etc. There is moaning going on in places on the forum but trying to shut a sensible discussion down with "stop moaning" is ridiculous. If you don't want to discuss then leave the thread.

Could say the same about not watching Charlotte in general, don't pay her attention it you believe she's an attention seeking chavette.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by StupidHoe

Could say the same about not watching Charlotte in general, don't pay her attention it you believe she's an attention seeking chavette.

I don't pay her attention. I watched CBB because I am a BB fan. Now I'm discussing what I've watched. I can't very well form an opinion on her without having watched first can I?

But rest assured I'm not going to be watching Geordie Shore again anytime in my lifetime.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by the_answers

Well I see your point to some extent.
If there's any blame to be had (which we're debating), I certainly think it's not all at Charlotte's door.
If the show didn't want her on she wouldn't have gone on. (and they knew what she was like)

As far as I can gather Geordie Shore didn't arise from Charlotte, she was selected to be part of it ?
So why do people who blame Charlotte not blame the TV program too ?
Cos she's an easier target...
If it wasn't her I guess it would be someone else.

Think you're wrong to make out she's a rebel or on some kind of feminist mission though - she offered a half hearted apology tonight.

Not what I was saying at all, there's no way it's a conscious cause of course not...but I do respect (whereas the majority berate) girls that refuse to adhere to these sexist stereotypes that they must not sleep around and they must not get smashed but it's perfectly alright for men to do so, I know one girl like it and she gets so much hate but God love her she does what she wants with HER life and I admire her <3

Originally Posted by Lee.

Jack, I don't think we're going to agree on this tbh

But put it this way (and I know you will DEFINITELY get this once you have kids if your own) my daughter will never ever grow up to be like Charlotte. Ill spend every day of the rest of her childhood making sure she matures with manners, modesty and morals.

I would never want my daughter to act like that up until the age of 18, no, of course not...but as far as I'm concerned what my daughter would do with her body at that age I really would rather not know so long as she's careful, consenting and not hurting anyone then it's none of my business

[Seanbon]

Originally Posted by Jack_

omg...

Yes she does. Like, yes.

It's a scripted reality show. TOWIE, MIC and Geordie Shore are all the same (hence why I don't watch them). The people are casted and presented to the audience as 'themselves' but they are told by the directors to exaggerate certain aspects of their personality and effectively take on a persona as if it were a soap opera, so Mario is the 'nasty love rat' on TOWIE yet in the house most people seem to agree that he appears to be a pretty decent guy, no? The casts on these shows are paid and told to do certain things, so often certain arguments and relationship scenes will be set up and they'll be given directions as to how to play the scene out

The entire point of Geordie Shore is to watch them going out on the hunt for sex and to get battered, it's not a show for everyone (and not for me) but that IS the purpose of the show, so all of the cast members are given directions that that is what they want...

I'm not saying off-camera she talks like someone from Chelsea and doesn't drink but it is an exaggerated character, anyone that seriously believes she goes around in her every day life pissing on the street whilst out shopping and talking about dildoing herself with Betty on the checkout has seriously got the wrong idea

I would say there is a thin line between her character on GS,and her real life character,so her chat with Betty may actually take place!!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

omg...

Yes she does. Like, yes.

It's a scripted reality show. TOWIE, MIC and Geordie Shore are all the same (hence why I don't watch them). The people are casted and presented to the audience as 'themselves' but they are told by the directors to exaggerate certain aspects of their personality and effectively take on a persona as if it were a soap opera, so Mario is the 'nasty love rat' on TOWIE yet in the house most people seem to agree that he appears to be a pretty decent guy, no? The casts on these shows are paid and told to do certain things, so often certain arguments and relationship scenes will be set up and they'll be given directions as to how to play the scene out

The entire point of Geordie Shore is to watch them going out on the hunt for sex and to get battered, it's not a show for everyone (and not for me) but that IS the purpose of the show, so all of the cast members are given directions that that is what they want...

I'm not saying off-camera she talks like someone from Chelsea and doesn't drink but it is an exaggerated character, anyone that seriously believes she goes around in her every day life pissing on the street whilst out shopping and talking about dildoing herself with Betty on the checkout has seriously got the wrong idea

What's with the omg?
She was picked for the show for being charlotte, that is her she had no scriptwriter in BB telling her to pee the bed did she?
I don't feel this complex mix of petulant child, rebellious teenager and socially retarded adult is entertaining or someone who deserved to be the winner of BB. That is my opinion.

[Seanbon]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

What's with the omg?
She was picked for the show for being charlotte, that is her she had no scriptwriter in BB telling her to pee the bed did she?
I don't feel this complex mix of petulant child, rebellious teenager and socially retarded adult is entertaining or someone who deserved to be the winner of BB. That is my opinion.