[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Josy

Of course they never, Ashleigh has practically survived the apocalypse in there

Ah, resorting to exaggerating what has been said now.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by andybigbro

I agree with Josy's points and I'm a fan of Ashleigh.


She doesn't deserve any more credit than the other housemates

Of course she does if more has been thrown at her than the others.

her age is irrelevant. She's and adult and like the others can handle herself.

I disagree with you entirely. When we judge how mature a person is we must take into consideration how old that person is obviously.

We are impressed by people who write symphonies. We are even more impressed by Mozart writing symphonies at the age of 9.

Why people think age doesn't come into how we judge people is beyond me.

[andybigbro]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Of course she does if more has been thrown at her than the others.




I disagree with you entirely. When we judge how mature a person is we must take into consideration how old that person is obviously.

We are impressed by people who write symphonies. We are even more impressed by Mozart writing symphonies at the age of 9.

Why people think age doesn't come into how we judge people is beyond me.

Yes because Mozart was a CHILD. Ashleigh is an ADULT, the same as Helen and the same as Ash etc.

She knew what the show was about and the tough times, if this was the case 18 year olds would not be allowed to enter. Her age is not relevant, and she should be treated like everyone else.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Okay, no more going around the houses, no more being vague, please list as concisely as possible in bullet point form every single thing Ashleigh has had thrown at her that HASN'T affected the others?

Everything affects others. But clearly she was the one who had a target put on her back after the seance and then moreso after footage being shown of her. She was also up for eviction after having heard a hostile reaction from the crowd and dealt with being the most likely to go very well. All of it when combined is a lot to deal with it.

[andybigbro]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Everything affects others. But clearly she was the one who had a target put on her back after the seance and then moreso after footage being shown of her. She was also up for eviction after having heard a hostile reaction from the crowd and dealt with being the most likely to go very well. All of it when combined is a lot to deal with it.

umm Jale was up every week. Ash was booed immensely.

A lot of them have had "tough times"

Not just Ashleigh.

[fitz2k2]

she wont win

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by andybigbro

Yes because Mozart was a CHILD. Ashleigh is an ADULT, the same as Helen and the same as Ash etc.

Helen is 9 years older than Ashleigh. She's lived as an adult for a much longer time. Do you expect an 18 year old to be as mature as a 48 year old because they're both ADULTS? Do you really think it's irrelevant?

She knew what the show was about and the tough times, if this was the case 18 year olds would not be allowed to enter. Her age is not relevant, and she should be treated like everyone else.

Yes it is relevant. Age was relevant to Pauline behaving the way she did. It made her behaviour all the worse because she was in a position of authority because of it.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by andybigbro

umm Jale was up every week. Ash was booed immensely.

I've conceded that Jale had it tough.

A lot of them have had "tough times"

Not just Ashleigh.

I didn't say she was the only one. But I do think she has dealt with it extremely well.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Everything affects others. But clearly she was the one who had a target put on her back after the seance and then moreso after footage being shown of her. She was also up for eviction after having heard a hostile reaction from the crowd and dealt with being the most likely to go very well. All of it when combined is a lot to deal with it.

Footage shown of her bitching - like half the house.
The seance - lasted about 10 seconds and brought that on herself when she was seen lying through her teeth.
Up for eviction after hearing a hostile reception? Welcome to Big Brother, 90% of housemates deal with that.

Has she been singled out to receive that? No, that's what BB has become.

They all deserve credit for going into Big Brother. Ashleigh has no more to cope with than anyone else, free pass or no free pass.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by andybigbro

umm Jale was up every week. Ash was booed immensely.

A lot of em have had "tough times"

Not just Ashleigh.

Yeah this is the basic point I've been trying to make throughout the thread they have all had things to deal with throughout the show and all deserve the same credit, it's obviously difficult in there they are all alienated from the outside world and so on.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

I've conceded that Jale had it tough.



I didn't say she was the only one. But I do think she has dealt with it extremely well.

I don't disagree with that but I think they all have, not just Ashleigh which is why I disagreed with you..and still don't think she should be given any more credit than the others.

[andybigbro]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Helen is 9 years older than Ashleigh. She's lived as an adult for a much longer time. Do you expect an 18 year old to be as mature as a 48 year old because they're both ADULTS? Do you really think it's irrelevant?



Yes it is relevant. Age was relevant to Pauline behaving the way she did. It made her behaviour all the worse because she was in a position of authority because of it.

No, because at 18, you're treated as an adult and are viewed as being old enough to deal with situations. If an 18 year old committed a crime, they would get the same sentence as a 48 year old. Because as an adult, you are treated the same.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Footage shown of her bitching - like half the house.
The seance - lasted about 10 seconds and brought that on herself when she was seen lying through her teeth.

After BB deliberately selected who would be "murdered" and focused on her conversations. They then set the seance up for her to be labelled all sorts. An then when it didn't result in the bust up they wanted, threw more at her the following week as well.

Up for eviction after hearing a hostile reception? Welcome to Big Brother, 90% of housemates deal with that.

Yes and in combination with other things going on, she dealt with it extremely well. Just like Hazel did every week last year.

Has she been singled out to receive that? No, that's what BB has become.

They all deserve credit for going into Big Brother. Ashleigh has no more to cope with than anyone else, free pass or no free pass.

Oh, a free pass doesn't help someone's time in the house now? Sorry, let me do what you do...

[AarynGriesfan]

Originally Posted by Josy

Of course they never, Ashleigh has practically survived the apocalypse in there

She did survive the Armageddon!

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by andybigbro

No, because at 18, you're treated as an adult and are viewed as being old enough to deal with situations. If an 18 year old committed a crime, they would get the same sentence as a 48 year old. Because as an adult, you are treated the same.

When it comes to punishing certain crimes, the judge would actually take the age of the person into consideration, obviously. And equality before the law doesn't mean you don't recognize that a 48 year old is going to be expected to be a more mature person than an 18 year old.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by AarynGriesfan

She did survive the Armageddon!

As did he rest of them that's in there

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Josy

I don't disagree with that but I think they all have, not just Ashleigh which is why I disagreed with you..and still don't think she should be given any more credit than the others.

Yes but saying they all do without making any distinction between what some of them have been through and what others have not is vacuous. clearly someone like Freddie during BB10 went through a tougher time than did Yorkshire Dave who came in late and was treated well. And whilst I do think it's been more equal here than that example, Ashleigh has been through a lot in the last 3 weeks.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Yes but saying they all do without making any distinction between what some of them have been through and what others have is vacuous.

I'm sorry but are you reading my entire posts?

I have given numerous reasons and points throughout the thread as to why I disagree with your opinion.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Josy

I'm sorry but are you reading my entire posts?

I have given numerous reasons and points throughout the thread as to why I disagree with your opinion.

Yes, but you're not making distinctions. You're just saying "They've all been through it" as though they are all having exactly the same experience. Clearly some people are having to cope with more than others, and Ashleigh in the last 3 weeks has had more to deal with than most.

[Kazanne]

Well this sycophancy is putting me right off her , even more .

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well this sycophancy is putting me right off her , even more .

I wonder what it is that makes people so unwilling to give her some credit. She really brings it out in some of you.

[DigitalMethod]

She deserves a spot in the final 3 IMO.

[LukeB]

she deserves to win!

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Yes, but you're not making distinctions. You're just saying "They've all been through it" as though they are all having exactly the same experience. Clearly some people are having to cope with more than others, and Ashleigh in the last 3 weeks has had more to deal with than most.

Jale was given the killer nomination, faced eviction every week, picked on by Helen, Pauline and Toya, she was isolated and bullied by Helen who actually received a warning about her behaviour towards her and for the first couple of weeks barely any of the housemates would even talk to her.

Chris was isolated when he first entered because Pauline spread around what he said on his VT.

Danielle was turned into a timid little mouse due to her argument with Helen and then all the tasks that were targeting her and also the targeting of her by Biannca from the minute she entered the house.

Christopher was picked on by Toya and Pauline, reduced to tears because of both of them, faced eviction for a few weeks in a row and was chosen to face it again by Matthew and Toya.

[AarynGriesfan]

Originally Posted by Josy

As did he rest of them that's in there

Most of them deserve credit for surviving as well except Helen of course.