[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Pardon, I said I found I got 'fed up' of hearing Asheligh's supposed 'good' qualities while then being ignored as to her, any 'bad' ones she may have.
I 'never' said I was fed up with the 'people making such comments', kindly don't read into what I say what I haven't said or even indicated.

You are the one who rather than make a comment made a negative, and to me a near insulting, post as to myself.

With respect you put dozing responses to my 'whole' post,not part of it.
As I said just ignore my posts if they send you to sleep.

People do it all the time.... Don't take it too seriously. I responded because I get fed up hearing Helen says it how it is'... You get fed up with something regarding Ashleigh...it's a forum...I support Ashleigh and perhaps you don't. You have been on here long enough and so have I...I wasn't insulting you..don't be silly. The smilies just demonstrate a reaction. You are being over sensitive.
Now I will give you a friendly wave if that's ok

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

But that's just it Kazanne...Helen slagged Ashleigh off...she has bitched in the toilet unyet time after time people come on here saying the difference with Helen is she says it to their faces...well she quite blatantly doesn't.
If she has to wait till she is challenged how does that make Ashleigh more of a bitch than Helen..Ashleigh stood up for herself when Helen confronted her..so where is the difference?
Helen is bold...she isn't scared of confrontation but she still bitches behind peoples back...that's the point I am making.
Ashleigh is opinionated but she is not as bold as Helen and that's an age and confidence thing. Helen may confront people with her opinion..but she is intimidating and nasty when people argue back and she gets personal...she is a vile person to argue with which is why people avoid an argument with her.

That's what I said Rusti,Helen does both,Ashleigh doesn't ,which makes it worse for me as she is putting forward a false persona.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

People do it all the time.... Don't take it too seriously. I responded because I get fed heup aring Helen says it how it is'... You get fed up with something regarding Ashleigh...it's a forum...I support Ashleigh and perhaps you don't. You have been on here long enough and so have I...I wasn't insulting you..don't be silly. The smilies just demonstrate a reaction. You are being over sensitive.
Now I will give you a friendly wave if that's ok

I don't do it and doubt I ever will.
However you are a poster I hold in high regard on here so am happy to return a friendly wave too.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

That's what I said Rusti,Helen does both,Ashleigh doesn't ,which makes it worse for me as she is putting forward a false persona.

But don't you think that that's more of an age thing and not having the confidence to confront people.
When I was 18 I wouldn't say boo to a goose but over the years and dealing with the public in my work I have built up confidence to hold my own. However opinionated I am I still don't like confrontation... I too would avoid confrontation with Helen but if she attacked me I would fight back. Helen did confront Ashleigh and I thought she held her own well.
Not one person in there has confronted Helen NOT ONE...and I don't believe many of them found her outbursts acceptable or comfortable...Ashleigh did voice opinion albeit not to her face...but Helen has done the same.
Helen has bitched a lot about Ashleigh....and only confronted her once when she had Kiimberley and Jale standing behind her...

[jet]

Ashleigh gets criticized on this forum as much as Helen does.
Helen is a nasty piece of work so that is understandable.
Ashleigh is a strong, smart girl who is a big threat to peoples faves so that is understandable.
Those who champion Helen are fewer but more vocal as Ashleigh is amazing and they have to dig deep to find fault.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by jet

Ashleigh gets criticized on this forum as much as Helen does.
Helen is a nasty piece of work so that is understandable.
Ashleigh is a strong, smart girl who is a big threat to peoples faves so that is understandable.
Those who champion Helen are fewer but more vocal as Ashleigh is amazing and they have to dig deep to find fault.

Ashleigh would be fine if people admitted she has faults,they don't ,simple as.That is a big reason I went off her all the totally ott stuff,it's kinda childish,afterall ,they don't give a toss about us,not even Ashleigh

[jet]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

But don't you think that that's more of an age thing and not having the confidence to confront people.
When I was 18 I wouldn't say boo to a goose but over the years and dealing with the public in my work I have built up confidence to hold my own. However opinionated I am I still don't like confrontation... I too would avoid confrontation with Helen but if she attacked me I would fight back. Helen did confront Ashleigh and I thought she held her own well.
Not one person in there has confronted Helen NOT ONE...and I don't believe many of them found her outbursts acceptable or comfortable...Ashleigh did voice opinion albeit not to her face...but Helen has done the same.
Helen has bitched a lot about Ashleigh....and only confronted her once when she had Kiimberley and Jale standing behind her...

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Ashleigh would be fine if people admitted she has faults,they don't ,simple as.That is a big reason I went off her all the totally ott stuff,it's kinda childish,afterall ,they don't give a toss about us,not even Ashleigh

This ^^

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Ashleigh would be fine if people admitted she has faults,they don't ,simple as.That is a big reason I went off her all the totally ott stuff,it's kinda childish,afterall ,they don't give a toss about us,not even Ashleigh

childish? what show you watching

[jet]

If people would stop making excuses for Helen like 'she says it to your face' and 'she's had a hard life' as if that excuses her nastiness and bullying but go after Ashleigh and make baiting derogatory comments about her for the slightest thing, maybe she (Helen) wouldn't seem as bad.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

She did,following the time Ashleigh was caught out when they were able to watch her on the vt and also hear the playbacks,what is good for the goose should be good for the gander.

Yes I know she did...that's the only time. However she stormed out there with Kimberley and Jale behind her...3 on 1...attacking. Ashleigh gave Helen as good as she got. Let's face facts Kimberley had no voice until she stood in Helens shadow.
Helen finally found a reason to attack Ashleigh because she saw her plotting...Ashleigh has had no reason to confront Helen because she has never directly offended Ashleigh. Ashleigh has discussed Helens appalling behaviour towards other housemates and how much she hates her for it...but everybody seems to sit back in there and watch her do it and say nothing. Chris and Christopher have done the same but they don't get slaughtered on here for it.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by jet

If people would stop making excuses for Helen like 'she says it to your face' and 'she's had a hard life' as if that excuses her nastiness and bullying but go after Ashleigh and make baiting derogatory comments about her for the slightest thing, maybe she (Helen) wouldn't seem as bad.

If I have to read that bull**** excuse one more time I'm going to claw my eyes out.

[rusticgal]

[QUOTE=Kazanne;7107227]Ashleigh would be fine if people admitted she has faults,they don't ,simple as.


Are you saying you don't like Ashleigh because her fans don't see or admitted her faults?
I wish Ashleigh had stood up and told her to her face...I wish housemates including Ashleigh would have stood up to Helen when she was being abusive to people. However as I have said Helen is so vile when she argues..she attacks,insults and won't let people defend themselves...maybe that's why people have just avoided any sort of confrontation.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by MrWong

If I have to read that bull**** excuse one more time I'm going to claw my eyes out.

Well I for one have never said that and cant say I've seen it on here,maybe a missed a couple of posts

[jet]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Yes I know she did...that's the only time. However she stormed out there with Kimberley and Jale behind her...3 on 1...attacking. Ashleigh gave Helen as good as she got. Let's face facts Kimberley had no voice until she stood in Helens shadow.
Helen finally found a reason to attack Ashleigh because she saw her plotting...Ashleigh has had no reason to confront Helen because she has never directly offended Ashleigh. Ashleigh has discussed Helens appalling behaviour towards other housemates and how much she hates her for it...but everybody seems to sit back in there and watch her do it and say nothing. Chris and Christopher have done the same but they don't get slaughtered on here for it.

Truer words were never spoken!

[Kazanne]

[QUOTE=rusticgal;7107382]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Ashleigh would be fine if people admitted she has faults,they don't ,simple as.


Are you saying you don't like Ashleigh because her fans don't see or admitted her faults?
I wish Ashleigh had stood up and told her to her face...I wish housemates including Ashleigh would have stood up to Helen when she was being abusive to people. However as I have said Helen is so vile when she argues..she attacks,insults and won't let people defend themselves...maybe that's why people have just avoided any sort of confrontation.

I cant really say what has turned me off Ashleigh,lol as I would get an infraction,easiest way I can say it is,SOME people are way ott with it all,you say Helen is vile ,ok then,but are people not just as vile with some of their comments? People are vile when they argue,they shout they say nasty things,that's what an argument is,doesn't mean you mean every word you say,it's anger,pure and simple,you can call Helen vile,but not ashleigh when she slinks behind her teddy and calls people names? I don't get that logic,imo ,none of them are 'vile' one is a gob****e,the other is devious,that's how I see it.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by jet

Truer words were never spoken!

obviously as you are an Ashleigh fan

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Yes I know she did...that's the only time. However she stormed out there with Kimberley and Jale behind her...3 on 1...attacking. Ashleigh gave Helen as good as she got. Let's face facts Kimberley had no voice until she stood in Helens shadow.
Helen finally found a reason to attack Ashleigh because she saw her plotting...Ashleigh has had no reason to confront Helen because she has never directly offended Ashleigh. Ashleigh has discussed Helens appalling behaviour towards other housemates and how much she hates her for it...but everybody seems to sit back in there and watch her do it and say nothing. Chris and Christopher have done the same but they don't get slaughtered on here for it.

If Helen had have said something to Ashleigh before then she would have been called all sorts for picking on a poor defenseless 18 year old who could do no wrong. When Helen called out Ashleigh there was plenty who had witnessed Ashleigh's behaviour proving Ashleigh was no angel like some believed.

[Brother Leon]

Ashleigh has obviously had the greater u-turn of the two(not that it's a bad thing). Not sure why Helen is getting the hate. Ashleigh was so obsessed with upsetting Helen she started targeting someone she actually likes herself just to spite Helen.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Ashleigh has obviously had the greater u-turn of the two(not that it's a bad thing). Not sure why Helen is getting the hate. Ashleigh was so obsessed with upsetting Helen she started targeting someone she actually likes herself just to spite Helen.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Ashleigh has obviously had the greater u-turn of the two(not that it's a bad thing). Not sure why Helen is getting the hate. Ashleigh was so obsessed with upsetting Helen she started targeting someone she actually likes herself just to spite Helen.

But remember at that time Helen was at her nasty and bullying worst. Ashleigh was trying to get rid of the bully's sidekick who sat and laughed and encouraged the bully because the bully herself couldn't be touched. A very courageous thing to do. It didn't work, but she was the ONLY one to attempt anything to weaken the bully's position.

Yet some people think she was just being sly ....you couldn't make up the lack of awareness

[Niamh.]

I don't think this truce will last, it'll go how it did last time, they'll be fine with eachother until BB throw a spanner in the works and pit one against the other like they did with with the Power alliance

[Alf]

Ashleigh is playing Helen like a tuba.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well I for one have never said that and cant say I've seen it on here,maybe a missed a couple of posts

It's been used a number of times on here.

It's surprising that you've missed it since you applaud pretty much every post that defends Helen

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by jet

But remember at that time Helen was at her nasty and bullying worst. Ashleigh was trying to get rid of the bully's sidekick who sat and laughed and encouraged the bully because the bully herself couldn't be touched. A very courageous thing to do. It didn't work, but she was the ONLY one to attempt anything to weaken the bully's position.

Yet some people think she was just being sly ....you couldn't make up the lack of awareness

She was at her worst in week 1 when Ashleigh herself was laughing and licking her arse...