[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

When did Helen try to welcome her into the group? Helen has on numerous occasions said she only tolerates Ashleigh because she's in the house. And Ashleigh is not simply talking about how Helen has spoke to her but to others as well.



You want a woman who has been given a free pass to the final, multiple warnings (for bullying and aggressive behaviour) that amount to little more than guidance tips on how to behave, all sorts of other advantages and pretty much a campaign for her to win during the week a vote to win opens, to win? Does a sense of fair play enter into this at any point?

Short memory, Helen has said she wanted to be friends with Ashleigh a million! Even in last nights highlights she said she has tried to be friends with her but Ashleigh just makes things awkward. She apologised to her last night and she also apologised to her when Danielle left and they seemed to get along for a few days but Ashleigh started bitching about her again.

And in answer to your second post yes I want her in the final 2.

Lets be honest the only real bully this year has been BB and they have been responsible for ostracising both Helen and Ashleigh in unfair tasks and letting them know public opinion.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Short memory, Helen has said she wanted to be friends with Ashleigh a million! Even in last nights highlights she said she has tried to be friends with her but Ashleigh just makes things awkward. She apologised to her last night and she also apologised to her when Danielle left and they seemed to get along for a few days but Ashleigh started bitching about her again.

And in answer to your second post yes I want her in the final 2.

usually because Helen does something to remind Ashleigh why they didn't get on in the first place

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Short memory, Helen has said she wanted to be friends with Ashleigh a million! Even in last nights highlights she said she has tried to be friends with her but Ashleigh just makes things awkward.

This is a woman who hears what she wants to hear and sees what she wants to see and has treated people appallingly, saying some of the nastiest things in the most aggressive manner in 15 years of BB. You expect people to just fall into line or come under Helen's wing?

She apologised to her last night and she also apologised to her when Danielle left and they seemed to get along for a few days but Ashleigh started bitching about her again.

Yes, because of her behaviour. Which is obnoxious.

And in answer to your second post yes I want her in the final 2.

Lets be honest the only real bully this year has been BB and they have been responsible for ostracising both Helen and Ashleigh in unfair tasks and letting them know public opinion.

No, a woman who treats a man who has just walked in on his first night like something she has trodden in (as she did with Chris) and begins to refer to another woman who has just walked in as a "slug" and continues to do so for a week until there have been so many complaints the producers have to pull her in and give her warning is most definitely a bully. She takes the things people hold sacred such as their religious beliefs and tramples all over them. She gets aggressive and goes straight after people's insecurities. When called up on this, she balls her eyes out and says "Why is it always me, *someone else* is just as bad if not worst, sniffle sniffle sniffle"

Manipulative, nasty and a bully.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

This is a woman who hears what she wants to hear and sees what she wants to see and has treated people appallingly, saying some of the nastiest things in the most aggressive manner in 15 years of BB. You expect people to just fall into line or come under Helen's wing?



Yes, because of her behaviour. Which is obnoxious.



No, a woman who treats a man who has just walked in on his first night like something she has trodden in (as she did with Chris) and begins to refer to another woman who has just walked in as a "slug" and continues to do so for a week until there have been so many complaints the producers have to pull her in and give her warning is most definitely a bully. She takes the things people hold sacred such as their religious beliefs and tramples all over them. She gets aggressive and goes straight after people's insecurities. When called up on this, she balls her eyes out and says "Why is it always me, *someone else* is just as bad if not worst, sniffle sniffle sniffle"

Manipulative, nasty and a bully.

Im no longer discussing this its like banging my head against a brick wall.

Chris has forgiven Helen and says he likes her on so many occasions. You forget all the times shes been there for him since when the little pussy was crying almost every other day.

Helen is not all bad and neither is Ashleigh some people just see black and white and cant open their minds to a more rounded opinion and look at both good and bad points in housemates to really justify their behaviour.

Lets just hope she makes top 3 on Friday, she deserves to be there. She has provided so much entertainment and the people watching and complaining have probably enjoyed watching her antics but are to high on their high horse to admit they see any good in Helen.

Im done discussing it, its to one sided and is going nowhere.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Im no longer discussing this its like banging my head against a brick wall.

Chris has forgiven Helen and says he likes her on so many occasions. You forget all the times shes been there for him since when the little pussy was crying almost every other day.

Good for him. But that sort of behaviour is beyond the pale.

Helen is not all bad and neither is Ashleigh some people just see black and white and cant open their minds to a more rounded opinion and look at both good and bad points in housemates to really justify their behaviour.

No one has said that they are. But Helen's behaviour has been on numerous occasions despicable in that house. And whilst it's one thing for those who have to live with her to forgive, for the audience to just forget about all of that and pretend she's a decent sort really is just depressing.

Lets just hope she makes top 3 on Friday, she deserves to be there. She has provided so much entertainment and the people watching and complaining have probably enjoyed watching her antics but are to high on their high horse to admit they see any good in Helen.

I haven't enjoyed her treating people like ****. No. And she doesn't deserve to finish above any of them. Though she probably will thanks to further manipulation and promotion. Something, again, people just don't seem to care about anymore.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Good for him. But that sort of behaviour is beyond the pale.



No one has said that they are. But Helen's behaviour has been on numerous occasions despicable in that house. And whilst it's one thing for those who have to live with her to forgive, for the audience to just forget about all of that and pretend she's a decent sort really is just depressing.



I haven't enjoyed her treating people like ****. No. And she doesn't deserve to finish above any of them. Though she probably will thanks to further manipulation and promotion. Something, again, people just don't seem to care about anymore.

But hasnt ashliegh treated people like ****?

Helen?
Ash?
Christopher?
Zoe?
Bianca?
Pav?
Steven?
Kim?

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by adamski94

But hasnt ashliegh treated people like ****?

Helen?
Ash?
Christopher?
Zoe?
Bianca?
Pav?
Steven?
Kim?

I agree she's treated Helen, Ash, Christopher (once) and Kim pretty poorly, but where did Steven, Biannca, Pav and Zoe come from?

[Denver]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

I agree she's treated Helen, Ash, Christopher (once) and Kim pretty poorly, but where did Steven, Biannca, Pav and Zoe come from?

She wasnt happy with the newbies entering so didnt talk to them for days and steven she hurt him to spite kim

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by adamski94

But hasnt ashliegh treated people like ****?

Helen?
Ash?
Christopher?
Zoe?
Bianca?
Pav?
Steven?
Kim?

No. She's gone off and moaned about them and bitched in much the same way we are doing on these forums. She has not called any of them anything like "slug" until she has got a warning for bullying, nor has she been aggressive, intimidating as Helen was with Matthew leading to her being put on a "final warning".

If people can't make these distinctions, I can't help them.