[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

So if someone helps someone because they feel they need help, whether they like them or not, all good from helping said person get's taken away when they say something bad about them? i don't see that logic..

I'm not saying this is necessarily true in James's case, but it does make their motives for helping somebody a little questionable.

If, for example, someone gives to charity then spends the next week bragging about it (which some people do do!), it does seem a little like their motive was to help themselves more than the charity. Of course, the charity has benefitted from their donation, but that's almost a bi-product of the person wanting to make themselves look all charitable and generous.

Like I said, I'm not saying this is necessarily what James does, but it does certainly make it questionable when he helps Gary but then sniggers about him with others. Other members have suggested that he might help to belittle Gary and feel kind of superior, and I have some suspicions that this might be the case.

Edit: then again, James might be genuinely wanting to help Gary and be happy to do so, but then just gets sucked into the bitching and sniggering with Stephanie and sometimes George. It's hard to call.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

I'm not saying this is necessarily true in James's case, but it does make their motives for helping somebody a little questionable.

If, for example, someone gives to charity then spends the next week bragging about it (which some people do do!), it does seem a little like their motive was to help themselves more than the charity. Of course, the charity has benefitted from their donation, but that's almost a bi-product of the person wanting to make themselves look all charitable and generous.

Like I said, I'm not saying this is necessarily what James does, but it does certainly make it questionable when he helps Gary but then sniggers about him with others. Other members have suggested that he might help to belittle Gary and feel kind of superior, and I have some suspicions that this might be the case.

Edit: then again, James might be genuinely wanting to help Gary and be happy to do so, but then just gets sucked into the bitching and sniggering with Stephanie and sometimes George. It's hard to call.

I see the point about the charity, that's what i was saying about Ashleigh during the last series
But, with the whole James situation, it annoys me that people don't acknowledge the fact that what James does to help Gary is a good thing, granted people don't like him so find it hard to admit that he does any good whatsoever, but that's not fair.
like i said, James could easily turn around and say no to helping Gary and let him do everything himself because he doesn't like him, but he doesn't because he seen that no matter how much he dislikes him or how annoying Gary is, he's still an old man who needs help with things, so yes he bitches about Gary and quite frequently says how much he dislikes him, but at the end of the day, he puts that aside to help him when no-one else will, that's a good guy in my eyes.

Originally Posted by abhorson

£££££

That is what it show's.

That makes no sense, they all get paid whether they're nice to Gary or not

[abhorson]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

I see the point about the charity, that's what i was saying about Ashleigh during the last series
But, with the whole James situation, it annoys me that people don't acknowledge the fact that what James does to help Gary is a good thing, granted people don't like him so find it hard to admit that he does any good whatsoever, but that's not fair.
like i said, James could easily turn around and say no to helping Gary and let him do everything himself because he doesn't like him, but he doesn't because he seen that no matter how much he dislikes him or how annoying Gary is, he's still an old man who needs help with things, so yes he bitches about Gary and quite frequently says how much he dislikes him, but at the end of the day, he puts that aside to help him when no-one else will, that's a good guy in my eyes.



That makes no sense, they all get paid whether they're nice to Gary or not

Does James want to go. Not rocket science Liam.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by abhorson

Does James want to go. Not rocket science Liam.

None of them want to go, not even that corner dwelling moaning Myrtle, but '£££££' has no relevance if you meant that he's doing it to stay in

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

I see the point about the charity, that's what i was saying about Ashleigh during the last series
But, with the whole James situation, it annoys me that people don't acknowledge the fact that what James does to help Gary is a good thing, granted people don't like him so find it hard to admit that he does any good whatsoever, but that's not fair.
like i said, James could easily turn around and say no to helping Gary and let him do everything himself because he doesn't like him, but he doesn't because he seen that no matter how much he dislikes him or how annoying Gary is, he's still an old man who needs help with things, so yes he bitches about Gary and quite frequently says how much he dislikes him, but at the end of the day, he puts that aside to help him when no-one else will, that's a good guy in my eyes.

Yeah I agree James could just leave Gary to it and not bother with him and he doesn't which is nice. But personally, I feel like the "niceness" is cancelled out by how bitter he seems about the fact that he has to help him. Even like when Gary was cleaning because James had "helped to educate him" that he'd be more liked if he was tidier (some other hms had discussed it in their noms too), James and others took that opportunity to make fun of Gary. Just doesn't seem like he does really want to help him just out of his own kindness at times like that. I respect that your opinion is that James's help indicates that he's a good guy though

Also, on a sidenote, I've never thought of Gary as needing much help really. Maybe in the shower if it is really slippy, but otherwise Gary seems just fine. I'm not sure what "help" James is referring to, but it could just be cut out of the hls.