[Liam-]

Originally Posted by colin72

Give me a break. He leaned forward for a split second as she was looking away as a way to get her attention and emphasize what he was saying. It was NOT an aggressive move.



How can you be so wrong so often?

He did not purposely wind her up. He was trying to understand her and be understood. She lost patience with him. It was obvious she was angry about other things. After she said, "I'm not your carer", she said "no one wants you touching their food because of your hygiene Gary". WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT?

And about him smiling... How can he not think she's a joke after how she had just blew up at him and stormed off? The sight of the fat whale with a bad haircut waddling away would have made anyone smile.

I didn't say it was an aggressive move, i said he got in her face, that's never nice to experience no matter who you are.
Let's not forget that he had already asked her 'Do you want a fight?' in the living room before now and she got annoyed by that already, but we're not going to mention that are we? the fact that he was reveling in winding her up, okay then.
Secondly, i am not 'wrong so often' because i only ever state my opinion and i never state that as fact, unlike other people seem to be fond of doing on here, so therefore i can't be wrong because everyone is entitled to believe what they believe, i won't tell you you're wrong, so don't tell me, or others are wrong because they disagree with you.
Oh and if you were as big of a Gary fan as you seem to be, you'd realise that Gary is a spiritual person and believes that it's what on the insides that counts, one of the traits i do admire him for, so he wouldn't have been laughing at the 'fat whale' walking off because he's not a judgmental person, unlike many people out there, Bye Felicia.

Ps, welcome to the forum

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

I didn't say it was an aggressive move, i said he got in her face, that's never nice to experience no matter who you are.
Let's not forget that he had already asked her 'Do you want a fight?' in the living room before now and she got annoyed by that already, but we're not going to mention that are we? the fact that he was reveling in winding her up, okay then.
Secondly, i am not 'wrong so often' because i only ever state my opinion and i never state that as fact, unlike other people seem to be fond of doing on here, so therefore i can't be wrong because everyone is entitled to believe what they believe, i won't tell you you're wrong, so don't tell me, or others are wrong because they disagree with you.
Oh and if you were as big of a Gary fan as you seem to be, you'd realise that Gary is a spiritual person and believes that it's what on the insides that counts, one of the traits i do admire him for, so he wouldn't have been laughing at the 'fat whale' walking off because he's not a judgmental person, unlike many people out there, Bye Felicia.

Ps, welcome to the forum

As I have mentioned, we didnt get to the bottom of that as we werent shown what went on before. The only thing I know is that Madam Dee was yapping about Frenchy. Now had someone else said to her the same thing, she would have laughed and they would have had a joke, but of course this was Gary. He has proven that he is not aggressive, he is to be admired with everything he has had to put up with and yet, he thanks them.

Many people can pick up the inside attitude of others, now I would say that Dee was already on the warpath about something, we shall never know. He could have been trying to diffuse the situation but of course, this was Dee, mind you none of them have even tried to understand Gary's humour.

Did you watch the LF, Dee was winding Gary up because he couldnt understand, she was smirking to someone else, there was mischeif in her eyes, she thought it was funny. Then she sprouted to the rest of the HMs and threatened to smash his face in. Lovely lass, I hope she gets picked up on it if not there should be a lot of complaints for letting her get away with it. She is despicable.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Jules2

As I have mentioned, we didnt get to the bottom of that as we werent shown what went on before. The only thing I know is that Madam Dee was yapping about Frenchy. Now had someone else said to her the same thing, she would have laughed and they would have had a joke, but of course this was Gary. He has proven that he is not aggressive, he is to be admired with everything he has had to put up with and yet, he thanks them.

Many people can pick up the inside attitude of others, now I would say that Dee was already on the warpath about something, we shall never know. He could have been trying to diffuse the situation but of course, this was Dee, mind you none of them have even tried to understand Gary's humour.

Did you watch the LF, Dee was winding Gary up because he couldnt understand, she was smirking to someone else, there was mischeif in her eyes, she thought it was funny. Then she sprouted to the rest of the HMs and threatened to smash his face in. Lovely lass, I hope she gets picked up on it if not there should be a lot of complaints for letting her get away with it. She is despicable.

But we do know where it came from, it was all due to the conversation that was had between them by the table about surprise evictions, Gary understood what Dee was saying and it was all fine, then went off on a tangent like Gary does quite regularly, which confused Dee and she got frustrated, that's when he came out with the line 'do you want a fight?' because he could see that she was getting annoyed/frustrated, whether he did it on purpose can be argued until we've all turned blue, but it wound her up.
And i agree with you about the comment she made, it wasn't necessary, but i don't think she should be particularly given warning about it, but she should definitely be told that things like that shouldn't be said in the house, whether joking or not.

[bots]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

But we do know where it came from, it was all due to the conversation that was had between them by the table about surprise evictions, Gary understood what Dee was saying and it was all fine, then went off on a tangent like Gary does quite regularly, which confused Dee and she got frustrated, that's when he came out with the line 'do you want a fight?' because he could see that she was getting annoyed/frustrated, whether he did it on purpose can be argued until we've all turned blue, but it wound her up.
And i agree with you about the comment she made, it wasn't necessary, but i don't think she should be particularly given warning about it, but she should definitely be told that things like that shouldn't be said in the house, whether joking or not.

The problem is that Dee has used aggressive language a number of times now. I will scratch anyones eyes out that nominates my babies, I will smash so and so's head in etc. On their own, its possible to put it down to frustration etc, but when its persistent, it gives off an air of overtly aggressive behaviour.

The other thing that really annoys me is that she and others keep coming up with this carer thing, its another attempt to demean Gary's worth in the house. No-one has asked them to be a carer, but it should be normal for people to have concern and affection for their fellow man. If its a task for them, then they have no need to do it or make Martyrs of themselves. So the only reason they say these things are to try and demean Gary. I don't consider that pleasant behaviour at all, and when it comes from the person that sets herself up as the supposed nurturing "mother of the house" , something doesn't add up.

All in all, the person she tries to project, is not the person she is in reality

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The problem is that Dee has used aggressive language a number of times now. I will scratch anyones eyes out that nominates my babies, I will smash so and so's head in etc. On their own, its possible to put it down to frustration etc, but when its persistent, it gives off an air of overtly aggressive behaviour.

The other thing that really annoys me is that she and others keep coming up with this carer thing, its another attempt to demean Gary's worth in the house. No-one has asked them to be a carer, but it should be normal for people to have concern and affection for their fellow man. If its a task for them, then they have no need to do it or make Martyrs of themselves. So the only reason they say these things are to try and demean Gary. I don't consider that pleasant behaviour at all, and when it comes from the person that sets herself up as the supposed nurturing "mother of the house" , something doesn't add up.

All in all, the person she tries to project, is not the person she is in reality

I agree totally, the only reason she has set herself up as the mama of the house is to avoid nominations. Look at the way she went to someone who Lauren was comforting, she took over, there was no need for it. That was my first suspicion of the woman, havent liked her since.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The problem is that Dee has used aggressive language a number of times now. I will scratch anyones eyes out that nominates my babies, I will smash so and so's head in etc. On their own, its possible to put it down to frustration etc, but when its persistent, it gives off an air of overtly aggressive behaviour.

The other thing that really annoys me is that she and others keep coming up with this carer thing, its another attempt to demean Gary's worth in the house. No-one has asked them to be a carer, but it should be normal for people to have concern and affection for their fellow man. If its a task for them, then they have no need to do it or make Martyrs of themselves. So the only reason they say these things are to try and demean Gary. I don't consider that pleasant behaviour at all, and when it comes from the person that sets herself up as the supposed nurturing "mother of the house" , something doesn't add up.

All in all, the person she tries to project, is not the person she is in reality

Absolutely spot on, I couldn't agree more.

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

But we do know where it came from, it was all due to the conversation that was had between them by the table about surprise evictions, Gary understood what Dee was saying and it was all fine, then went off on a tangent like Gary does quite regularly, which confused Dee and she got frustrated, that's when he came out with the line 'do you want a fight?' because he could see that she was getting annoyed/frustrated, whether he did it on purpose can be argued until we've all turned blue, but it wound her up.
And i agree with you about the comment she made, it wasn't necessary, but i don't think she should be particularly given warning about it, but she should definitely be told that things like that shouldn't be said in the house, whether joking or not.

No, no no, I am talking about the piece in the room moreorless after Frenchy was evicted. If we go back there was a point where Gary went soon after the eviction to talk to Dee. Now that was shown in a fuller sense later on. Nothing was heard at the time. You were commenting on the fact of "do you want to fight". You may be right, so much has happened it is difficult to put a time scale on it tbh.

She needs a warning, why should she be allowed to get away with that, it is bullying in the highest form. Audley was taken to the DR on a jumped up theme. She is volatile, look at the way she threatened the person who nominated her baby! How pathetic. Stephanie was pulled up about her behaviour to Gary, she has since toned it down and made an effort.

I just have no time at all for Dee, she is running the house and thinks that things should be done to her plan.

I respect what you are saying though, it cannot all be easy but Gary does have the upper hand with it all. He is better on a one to one situation but he has to feel in tune with the other person because if the other person is aggressive inside, it is hard not to react to that condition. He is a "sensitive" and the feeling originates from the solar plexus. He has great self control.

Perhaps Dee should look at the man and not the age, just because one reaches 70 does not make that person any lesser than one of 40. They have automatically put him in an OAP home, heaven help their own.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Jules2

No, no no, I am talking about the piece in the room moreorless after Frenchy was evicted. If we go back there was a point where Gary went soon after the eviction to talk to Dee. Now that was shown in a fuller sense later on. Nothing was heard at the time. You were commenting on the fact of "do you want to fight". You may be right, so much has happened it is difficult to put a time scale on it tbh.

She needs a warning, why should she be allowed to get away with that, it is bullying in the highest form. Audley was taken to the DR on a jumped up theme. She is volatile, look at the way she threatened the person who nominated her baby! How pathetic. Stephanie was pulled up about her behaviour to Gary, she has since toned it down and made an effort.

I just have no time at all for Dee, she is running the house and thinks that things should be done to her plan.

I respect what you are saying though, it cannot all be easy but Gary does have the upper hand with it all. He is better on a one to one situation but he has to feel in tune with the other person because if the other person is aggressive inside, it is hard not to react to that condition. He is a "sensitive" and the feeling originates from the solar plexus. He has great self control.

Perhaps Dee should look at the man and not the age, just because one reaches 70 does not make that person any lesser than one of 40. They have automatically put him in an OAP home, heaven help their own.

Oh i agree that she has used some.. less that favourable language, but the whole 'scratch your eyes out' thing, i really do believe she was joking, me and my friends say that all the time, if we're joking about something that we do that some of us don't like, i do agree that it shouldn't be said to people, unless there's an agreed presence of humour when saying it though.

And i've said that since the beginning, Gary is capable of way more than he's being allowed to show, but i see that as a natural reaction, if i'm around someone of a certain age and looks to be unable to do certain things, i would take it upon myself to do it for them, without thinking beforehand whether or not they were capable of doing it themselves, i don't think anyone in there can be blamed for doing so really.

You have to agree though, that he does sit back and let people do things for him when he doesn't want to do it, because he knows someone will do it for him anyway?

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

Oh i agree that she has used some.. less that favourable language, but the wholer e 'scratch youyes out' thing, i really do believe she was joking, me and my friends say that all the time, if we're joking about something that we do that some of us don't like, i do agree that it shouldn't be said to people, unless there's an agreed presence of humour when saying it though.

And i've said that since the beginning, Gary is capable of way more than he's being allowed to show, but i see that as a natural reaction, if i'm around someone of a certain age and looks to be unable to do certain things, i would take it upon myself to do it for them, without thinking beforehand whether or not they were capable of doing it themselves, i don't think anyone in there can be blamed for doing so really.

You have to agree though, that he does sit back and let people do things for him when he doesn't want to do it, because he knows someone will do it for him anyway?

Ah ha,,, so we have to consider that Dee was joking, if I should say that Gary was joking when he said "do you want to fight" would you consider that? (dont you just love these smilies ).

I think with that last bit, they dont want him in the kitchen, he was washing up the other day but they dont trust him to do anything. Why is Adele washing his clothes, mind you it sounds as though she has made herself the washerwoman of the house.

The way I see it is this, if he peed on the toilet ask him nicely to clear it up instead of complaining. He spilt coffe on the stairs, let him clear it up.....the trouble is they see that 7 and the 0 and they consider him useless, he isnt. Look at the way he ran around with the "tickle team". Dee argued that his knee was bad, he said it wasnt, he had his pills and a support, the tickle team proves that. Ok he fell down once that was most likely because he had to get up from a low position and he lost his balance.

He isnt useless and they should stop treating him as though he was, give him permission to make a sandwich, I have seen him making a drink several times so no he isnt useless, they just want to treat him that way. He has taken part in all the tasks and hasnt shied away from anything other than sleeping outside, which, I may add, he stuck until 1.30am.

Treat him with respect and he will look after himself, as he said Dee wasnt and never has been his carer. That was an insult.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Jules2

Ah ha,,, so we have to consider that Dee was joking, if I should say that Gary was joking when he said "do you want to fight" would you consider that? (dont you just love these smilies ).

I think with that last bit, they dont want him in the kitchen, he was washing up the other day but they dont trust him to do anything. Why is Adele washing his clothes, mind you it sounds as though she has made herself the washerwoman of the house.

The way I see it is this, if he peed on the toilet ask him nicely to clear it up instead of complaining. He spilt coffe on the stairs, let him clear it up.....the trouble is they see that 7 and the 0 and they consider him useless, he isnt. Look at the way he ran around with the "tickle team". Dee argued that his knee was bad, he said it wasnt, he had his pills and a support, the tickle team proves that. Ok he fell down once that was most likely because he had to get up from a low position and he lost his balance.

He isnt useless and they should stop treating him as though he was, give him permission to make a sandwich, I have seen him making a drink several times so no he isnt useless, they just want to treat him that way. He has taken part in all the tasks and hasnt shied away from anything other than sleeping outside, which, I may add, he stuck until 1.30am.

Treat him with respect and he will look after himself, as he said Dee wasnt and never has been his carer. That was an insult.

I would definitely consider that he was joking, i'm not one of these people who sees everything as black and white and only sees faults in people, i didn't particularly see it as a joke, but i can see how he might have thought it was a joke etc

I agree with you, they should be letting him do more for himself, not all 70 year old people are incapable of looking after themselves, my Bampy was 76 when he died and up until the day he became sick, he looked after his house by himself, he did gardening, he looked after his cat, he did his own washing, he shopped, he cleaned.. i know not all old people need help, but unless you know they don't need help, you just assume that they do and help them with stuff, but as you said, he has shown that he's resilient and can do things for himself.. but that just makes me wonder why people still carry on doing things for him, even though he is capable of doing stuff, maybe he just lets them because he's lazy or can't be bothered to clean up? none of us will ever know because we haven't lived in there with him.