[Jules2]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

But we do know where it came from, it was all due to the conversation that was had between them by the table about surprise evictions, Gary understood what Dee was saying and it was all fine, then went off on a tangent like Gary does quite regularly, which confused Dee and she got frustrated, that's when he came out with the line 'do you want a fight?' because he could see that she was getting annoyed/frustrated, whether he did it on purpose can be argued until we've all turned blue, but it wound her up.
And i agree with you about the comment she made, it wasn't necessary, but i don't think she should be particularly given warning about it, but she should definitely be told that things like that shouldn't be said in the house, whether joking or not.

No, no no, I am talking about the piece in the room moreorless after Frenchy was evicted. If we go back there was a point where Gary went soon after the eviction to talk to Dee. Now that was shown in a fuller sense later on. Nothing was heard at the time. You were commenting on the fact of "do you want to fight". You may be right, so much has happened it is difficult to put a time scale on it tbh.

She needs a warning, why should she be allowed to get away with that, it is bullying in the highest form. Audley was taken to the DR on a jumped up theme. She is volatile, look at the way she threatened the person who nominated her baby! How pathetic. Stephanie was pulled up about her behaviour to Gary, she has since toned it down and made an effort.

I just have no time at all for Dee, she is running the house and thinks that things should be done to her plan.

I respect what you are saying though, it cannot all be easy but Gary does have the upper hand with it all. He is better on a one to one situation but he has to feel in tune with the other person because if the other person is aggressive inside, it is hard not to react to that condition. He is a "sensitive" and the feeling originates from the solar plexus. He has great self control.

Perhaps Dee should look at the man and not the age, just because one reaches 70 does not make that person any lesser than one of 40. They have automatically put him in an OAP home, heaven help their own.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Jules2

No, no no, I am talking about the piece in the room moreorless after Frenchy was evicted. If we go back there was a point where Gary went soon after the eviction to talk to Dee. Now that was shown in a fuller sense later on. Nothing was heard at the time. You were commenting on the fact of "do you want to fight". You may be right, so much has happened it is difficult to put a time scale on it tbh.

She needs a warning, why should she be allowed to get away with that, it is bullying in the highest form. Audley was taken to the DR on a jumped up theme. She is volatile, look at the way she threatened the person who nominated her baby! How pathetic. Stephanie was pulled up about her behaviour to Gary, she has since toned it down and made an effort.

I just have no time at all for Dee, she is running the house and thinks that things should be done to her plan.

I respect what you are saying though, it cannot all be easy but Gary does have the upper hand with it all. He is better on a one to one situation but he has to feel in tune with the other person because if the other person is aggressive inside, it is hard not to react to that condition. He is a "sensitive" and the feeling originates from the solar plexus. He has great self control.

Perhaps Dee should look at the man and not the age, just because one reaches 70 does not make that person any lesser than one of 40. They have automatically put him in an OAP home, heaven help their own.

Oh i agree that she has used some.. less that favourable language, but the whole 'scratch your eyes out' thing, i really do believe she was joking, me and my friends say that all the time, if we're joking about something that we do that some of us don't like, i do agree that it shouldn't be said to people, unless there's an agreed presence of humour when saying it though.

And i've said that since the beginning, Gary is capable of way more than he's being allowed to show, but i see that as a natural reaction, if i'm around someone of a certain age and looks to be unable to do certain things, i would take it upon myself to do it for them, without thinking beforehand whether or not they were capable of doing it themselves, i don't think anyone in there can be blamed for doing so really.

You have to agree though, that he does sit back and let people do things for him when he doesn't want to do it, because he knows someone will do it for him anyway?

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

Oh i agree that she has used some.. less that favourable language, but the wholer e 'scratch youyes out' thing, i really do believe she was joking, me and my friends say that all the time, if we're joking about something that we do that some of us don't like, i do agree that it shouldn't be said to people, unless there's an agreed presence of humour when saying it though.

And i've said that since the beginning, Gary is capable of way more than he's being allowed to show, but i see that as a natural reaction, if i'm around someone of a certain age and looks to be unable to do certain things, i would take it upon myself to do it for them, without thinking beforehand whether or not they were capable of doing it themselves, i don't think anyone in there can be blamed for doing so really.

You have to agree though, that he does sit back and let people do things for him when he doesn't want to do it, because he knows someone will do it for him anyway?

Ah ha,,, so we have to consider that Dee was joking, if I should say that Gary was joking when he said "do you want to fight" would you consider that? (dont you just love these smilies ).

I think with that last bit, they dont want him in the kitchen, he was washing up the other day but they dont trust him to do anything. Why is Adele washing his clothes, mind you it sounds as though she has made herself the washerwoman of the house.

The way I see it is this, if he peed on the toilet ask him nicely to clear it up instead of complaining. He spilt coffe on the stairs, let him clear it up.....the trouble is they see that 7 and the 0 and they consider him useless, he isnt. Look at the way he ran around with the "tickle team". Dee argued that his knee was bad, he said it wasnt, he had his pills and a support, the tickle team proves that. Ok he fell down once that was most likely because he had to get up from a low position and he lost his balance.

He isnt useless and they should stop treating him as though he was, give him permission to make a sandwich, I have seen him making a drink several times so no he isnt useless, they just want to treat him that way. He has taken part in all the tasks and hasnt shied away from anything other than sleeping outside, which, I may add, he stuck until 1.30am.

Treat him with respect and he will look after himself, as he said Dee wasnt and never has been his carer. That was an insult.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Jules2

Ah ha,,, so we have to consider that Dee was joking, if I should say that Gary was joking when he said "do you want to fight" would you consider that? (dont you just love these smilies ).

I think with that last bit, they dont want him in the kitchen, he was washing up the other day but they dont trust him to do anything. Why is Adele washing his clothes, mind you it sounds as though she has made herself the washerwoman of the house.

The way I see it is this, if he peed on the toilet ask him nicely to clear it up instead of complaining. He spilt coffe on the stairs, let him clear it up.....the trouble is they see that 7 and the 0 and they consider him useless, he isnt. Look at the way he ran around with the "tickle team". Dee argued that his knee was bad, he said it wasnt, he had his pills and a support, the tickle team proves that. Ok he fell down once that was most likely because he had to get up from a low position and he lost his balance.

He isnt useless and they should stop treating him as though he was, give him permission to make a sandwich, I have seen him making a drink several times so no he isnt useless, they just want to treat him that way. He has taken part in all the tasks and hasnt shied away from anything other than sleeping outside, which, I may add, he stuck until 1.30am.

Treat him with respect and he will look after himself, as he said Dee wasnt and never has been his carer. That was an insult.

I would definitely consider that he was joking, i'm not one of these people who sees everything as black and white and only sees faults in people, i didn't particularly see it as a joke, but i can see how he might have thought it was a joke etc

I agree with you, they should be letting him do more for himself, not all 70 year old people are incapable of looking after themselves, my Bampy was 76 when he died and up until the day he became sick, he looked after his house by himself, he did gardening, he looked after his cat, he did his own washing, he shopped, he cleaned.. i know not all old people need help, but unless you know they don't need help, you just assume that they do and help them with stuff, but as you said, he has shown that he's resilient and can do things for himself.. but that just makes me wonder why people still carry on doing things for him, even though he is capable of doing stuff, maybe he just lets them because he's lazy or can't be bothered to clean up? none of us will ever know because we haven't lived in there with him.

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Originally Posted by LiamPRW

i know not all old people need help, but unless you know they don't need help, you just assume that they do and help them with stuff, but as you said, he has shown that he's resilient and can do things for himself.. but that just makes me wonder why people still carry on doing things for him, even though he is capable of doing stuff, maybe he just lets them because he's lazy or can't be bothered to clean up? none of us will ever know because we haven't lived in there with him.

Its not just old people, as we have seen in a million other episodes of BB. If someone wants to take on responsibility for doing a particular chore, let them get on with it. In the BB house you only get people fighting to do these chores because they want to relieve boredom or see an opportunity to make themselves look good and score some points. Gary has no need to score points or relieve boredom, so why not sit on his ass? I would too

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Its not just old people, as we have seen in a million other episodes of BB. If someone wants to take on responsibility for doing a particular chore, let them get on with it. In the BB house you only get people fighting to do these chores because they want to relieve boredom or see an opportunity to make themselves look good and score some points. Gary has no need to score points or relieve boredom, so why not sit on his ass? I would too

You are so right, I never thought of it that way, Gary does not need to score points at all, he is to wise for that malarky, leve it to the others to hang themselves

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

I would definitely consider that he was joking, i'm not one of these people who sees everything as black and white and only sees faults in people, i didn't particularly see it as a joke, but i can see how he might have thought it was a joke etc

I agree with you, they should be letting him do more for himself, not all 70 year old people are incapable of looking after themselves, my Bampy was 76 when he died and up until the day he became sick, he looked after his house by himself, he did gardening, he looked after his cat, he did his own washing, he shopped, he cleaned.. i know not all old people need help, but unless you know they don't need help, you just assume that they do and help them with stuff, but as you said, he has shown that he's resilient and can do things for himself.. but that just makes me wonder why people still carry on doing things for him, even though he is capable of doing stuff, maybe he just lets them because he's lazy or can't be bothered to clean up? none of us will ever know because we haven't lived in there with him.

Aw I have never heard that expression Bampy, I bet you loved him dearly. I am 74 my husband is 77 but sadly he has just been diagnosed with cancer. He is on chemo but he is still doing his bit. We are bringing up two grandchildren, one is 17 and the other is 14. We have had them with us for over 11 years. We take great pride in being part of the younger generation, they each treat us with respect and love. My 26 year old eldest grandson came all the way from Leeds, quite a way from myself, to help me when my husband was in hospital.

I just feel so sad that there is so much ageism in the house this time, I genuinely feel sorry for their attitudes and I respect and love Gary for his wealth of knowledge, his understanding of the younger ones and his ability not to "bitch" and to moan about his treatment, he accepts it all as the learning curb which will give him a greater understanding of each of them. No matter what age we are, we learn........your Bampy wont be far from you. Ya know, I love elephants, they supposedly never forget and our departed ones are never forgotten.

[puzzled]

Originally Posted by Jules2

Aw I have never heard that expression Bampy, I bet you loved him dearly. I am 74 my husband is 77 but sadly he has just been diagnosed with cancer. He is on chemo but he is still doing his bit. We are bringing up two grandchildren, one is 17 and the other is 14. We have had them with us for over 11 years. We take great pride in being part of the younger generation, they each treat us with respect and love. My 26 year old eldest grandson came all the way from Leeds, quite a way from myself, to help me when my husband was in hospital.

I just feel so sad that there is so much ageism in the house this time, I genuinely feel sorry for their attitudes and I respect and love Gary for his wealth of knowledge, his understanding of the younger ones and his ability not to "bitch" and to moan about his treatment, he accepts it all as the learning curb which will give him a greater understanding of each of them. No matter what age we are, we learn........your Bampy wont be far from you. Ya know, I love elephants, they supposedly never forget and our departed ones are never forgotten.

I hope your husband beats the cancer. It sounds like your grandchildren would treat Gary 1000 times better than some of those bilious HMs.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jules2

Aw I have never heard that expression Bampy, I bet you loved him dearly. I am 74 my husband is 77 but sadly he has just been diagnosed with cancer. He is on chemo but he is still doing his bit. We are bringing up two grandchildren, one is 17 and the other is 14. We have had them with us for over 11 years. We take great pride in being part of the younger generation, they each treat us with respect and love. My 26 year old eldest grandson came all the way from Leeds, quite a way from myself, to help me when my husband was in hospital.

I just feel so sad that there is so much ageism in the house this time, I genuinely feel sorry for their attitudes and I respect and love Gary for his wealth of knowledge, his understanding of the younger ones and his ability not to "bitch" and to moan about his treatment, he accepts it all as the learning curb which will give him a greater understanding of each of them. No matter what age we are, we learn........your Bampy wont be far from you. Ya know, I love elephants, they supposedly never forget and our departed ones are never forgotten.

Such a beautiful post jules, my thoughts are with you and your hubby