[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

It said a long the lines of they fear they won't achieve martyrdom and go on to live in paradise, because they've ended up fighting rebels, and this isn't their cause.

I hope Cameron doesn't allow them back in on the sense that they need to be tried in court, i read there's about 30 of them wanting to come back.

I do not believe that the British public realise how anti-British, anti-American, and anti- Western some of the 'ordinary' British born, young Muslim males are, even some of the non-practising ones.

A few years ago, I had befriended a group of young British Asians via mutual business, and all appeared normal citizens. Then, at the time of the 911 atrocities, we were having after seminar drinks in a hotel - there were about 25 present - and the news broke on TV. Virtually all the room erupted into loud cheering when the jets flying into the twin towers was being screened. Some were shouting out that The Houses of Parliament should be next! Only myself and an Indian man (Sikh) who was about 40 years old were shocked by the footage and disgusted by the others reaction. I told my closest 'friend' - who was one of the loudest voices cheering and jeering - that I was dumbfounded by his (and the other's) reactions, and asked him how he could be that insensitive and so anti-British when he was born and bred here? He replied that he "wasn't British" and that "we" (the British) and them (the Americans) had it coming for what atrocities we had carried out on Muslims.

I did not recognise the hate-filled man in front of me and I ended up arguing with him and several of the others before the Sikh guy and I left. I am no longer in business or contact with any of these men.

Before anyone takes me to task and tells me that not all British-born young Muslims are like that - I know. I also know that not all non British-born older Muslims are like that, because I have met the guy I am referring to's father who is some kind of Mullah in the local Pakistani community, and I have never met a more genteel, sensitive, and peace-loving man who condemns the violence on both sides and is fiercely proud to be British.